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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:25 PM
Wow, this really sucks.  Forcier is NOT the guy.  Again, is NOT the guy.  But if these candy asses expect the starting job to be handed to them and don't want competition, they can move on.  Half of these kids are nuts and feel entitled without ever earning anything while the other half just take bad advice.  Like someone said, this is Michigan and we'll be just fine.  It's not like there isn't plenty of QB 's who would like to play for Rod.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:57 PM
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Aw, it's not that bad.
It's too bad he left but I wish him the best of luck as well. Forcier has a visit on the 30th and I don't think he'll waste anytime commiting. Smith, I'm sure if he's interested will pick up the pace. I'm putting my money on Forcier. Kinda reminds me of Rick Leach. Shavodric (is that how you spell it? I don't know why I didn't just go Beaver.) seems like he is pretty serious about being the guy too so I think we'll be okay.
Good luck Kevin, happy trails...
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:23 PM
Okay, we just lost a commitment from a quarterback who dropped in rankings since we got his word. He had great upside, yes, but losing him isn't as big of a deal everyone is making it out to be. Everyone is going to rip on Tate Forcier and claim he isn't capable, but if you do that and think you're smarter than Rich Rodriguez and his staff you are stupid. This is why they coach and we watch.

I would rather have a Tate Forcier who would love to go to Michigan than a Kevin Newsome who truly doesn't want to be there. **We also have Shavodrick Beaver, you know, just a mediocre four-star prospect who is in Rivals most accurate passers list.

But two of the most accurate (and mobile) QB recruits aren't good enough now are they?**

**COUGH SARCASM COUGH**
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:51 PM
I always thought that he would look good in blue, but he has always waivered a bit! I wonder if this will have an effect of McNeal! He pulled a three month long "Darius Winston" (I will be shocked if DW signs with us). It's a tease. If Tate really wants to sign here, great. Not sure how I feel about having a former transfers brother, reminds me of Boren in a way! We are still MICHIGAN! We get top teir players in the land. Too bad KN does not want to be a part of the tradition!

I'll take Beaver and whatever other QB comes our way! I love how Beaver sounds in his interviews and how he is committed to success and working hard.

Realistically- Threat or Sheridan or Feagin could be a great combination and we have all year to watch them develop!!!

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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:58 PM
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Not sure how I feel about having a former transfers brother, reminds me of Boren in a way!




What???

Jason Forcier and his parents have had nothing but good things to say about Michigan since they left. If anything, they're probably a major reason why Tate is leaning toward Michigan in the first place.
 
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:19 PM
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Not sure how I feel about having a former transfers brother, reminds me of Boren in a way!




What???

Jason Forcier and his parents have had nothing but good things to say about Michigan since they left. If anything, they're probably a major reason why Tate is leaning toward Michigan in the first place.



And his transfer was quite unlike Boren's. Forcier was buried in the depth chart and was never going to play, so he transferred to somewhere where he had a shot. Matt Guttierez did the same thing and no one can blame either guy for doing so.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:22 PM
good luck to kevin where ever he lands(w.virginia) but on upside good article on beaver in the freep. kid seems to have his head on right, and seems solid in his commitment to us. then again aint nothin for sure till that paper is signed..
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:23 PM
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Okay, we just lost a commitment from a quarterback who dropped in rankings since we got his word. He had great upside, yes, but losing him isn't as big of a deal everyone is making it out to be. Everyone is going to rip on Tate Forcier and claim he isn't capable, but if you do that and think you're smarter than Rich Rodriguez and his staff you are stupid. This is why they coach and we watch.

I would rather have a Tate Forcier who would love to go to Michigan than a Kevin Newsome who truly doesn't want to be there. **We also have Shavodrick Beaver, you know, just a mediocre four-star prospect who is in Rivals most accurate passers list.

But two of the most accurate (and mobile) QB recruits aren't good enough now are they?**

**COUGH SARCASM COUGH**


Not quite sure how Rod and the coaches being smarter than us has anything to do with a guy de-commiting and Forcier possibly looking at Michigan, but ok.

If Forcier "would love to go to Michigan" he would have committed by now.  No, we have 2 guys who don't want competition in Newsome and Forcier.  I'll take Beaver anyday.  Forcier is Drew Stanton with half the toughness and half the arm.  BUT, you never know.  He could be great in a couple of years.  It's still real early and frankly, we have 2008 to worry about right now.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:51 PM
TK, he was talking about the coaches being smart enough to obviously see something in forcier to where they still have an offer out to him. And whoever was talking about newsome transferring to hargrave further solidified his commitment missed the target on that one.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:07 PM
It's a good thing that Mallett didn't back out of his commitment.  Can you imagine life without him?

It has to be tough on a kid like Newsome to try to stick to a verbal commitment to a distant school when there are so many people close to him lobbying for local favorite Virginia Tech.  

Who knows, maybe it'll turn out that Kevin had his arm twisted once too often, agreed to "re-open" his commitment just to get people off his back for a while.  I've seen reports quoting his Dad and his ex-coach, both of whom have reportedly wanted him to consider Virginia Tech.  I hope he gets a chance to talk to RR soon and remembers why he committed to Michigan in the first place.  Maybe Kevin will open his own mouth tomorrow and close the door that the people around him keep trying to open.

Yeah, I know, he's gone.  And the sad thing is that the internet is going to fill up with baseless sour-grapes slander along the lines of "he's a lying traitor who's afraid of competition; he's probably not as good as Beaver or Feagin, and he's probably bought and paid for."

Recruiting was never meant to be a spectator sport.  Thanks, Rivals & Scout.

I know Jason Forcier didn't get along with Loeffler, but he still likes Michigan and he talks us up all the time.  Even if TF can't compete with Beaver or Feagin for the starting job next year, would it really be so awful to have him around?  Scottsdale & TK are pretty reliable, and that "QB Force" website just reeks of Clausen and his limo.  But if TF's really such a hazard, how'd he get a scholarship offer?  Is Eugene Smith remotely serious about us, or is that a pipe-dream?
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:25 PM
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It's a good thing that Mallett didn't back out of his commitment.  Can you imagine life without him?
It has to be tough on a kid like Newsome to try to stick to a verbal commitment to a distant school when there are so many people close to him lobbying for local favorite Virginia Tech.  

Who knows, maybe it'll turn out that Kevin had his arm twisted once too often, agreed to "re-open" his commitment just to get people off his back for a while.  I've seen reports quoting his Dad and his ex-coach, both of whom have reportedly wanted him to consider Virginia Tech.  I hope he gets a chance to talk to RR soon and remembers why he committed to Michigan in the first place.  Maybe Kevin will open his own mouth tomorrow and close the door that the people around him keep trying to open.

Yeah, I know, he's gone.  And the sad thing is that the internet is going to fill up with baseless sour-grapes slander along the lines of "he's a lying traitor who's afraid of competition; he's probably not as good as Beaver or Feagin, and he's probably bought and paid for."

Recruiting was never meant to be a spectator sport.  Thanks, Rivals & Scout.

I know Jason Forcier didn't get along with Loeffler, but he still likes Michigan and he talks us up all the time.  Even if TF can't compete with Beaver or Feagin for the starting job next year, would it really be so awful to have him around?  Scottsdale & TK are pretty reliable, and that "QB Force" website just reeks of Clausen and his limo.  But if TF's really such a hazard, how'd he get a scholarship offer?  Is Eugene Smith remotely serious about us, or is that a pipe-dream?


On Forcier: The more I read and the more I think, the more I tend to shy away from him. I can't even pinpoint it on one single thing, just something that rubs me the wrong way. The fact that a source at Rivals has had contact with the Forciers and used the word "cancer". People didn't dismiss what he said.

On Smith: He has mentioned Michigan a lot and is still wide open. If RR wanted him, I think he could have him.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:44 PM
I don't understand the Forcier bashing that always comes up.  Unless you have met him personally, you can't have an opinion on his personality.  If the kid is good enough to play at Michigan, and he wants to be at Michigan, what can anyone have against him?

Everyone loved Mallet last year...before the season started.  These are 17-18 year old kids...we can't apply adult logic and decision making skills to them yet.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:06 PM
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Everyone loved Mallet last year...before the season started.  These are 17-18 year old kids...we can't apply adult logic and decision making skills to them yet.




You just validated all the Forcier bashing. Bringing up Mallett isn't going to help things.

And saying "we can't apply adult logic and decision making skill to them" is going to make everyone assume the worst, and considering Forcier has already rubbed many people the wrong way...
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:13 PM
The Mallet reference is saying "you don't know what you are going to get until they get here."  I view the sentiment towards Forcier as completely the opposite of Mallet  We thought we would love Mallet last year, and many voiced hatred when he left.  Many people dislike Forcier this year...time will tell if that sentiment is correct.

Only a pessimist will assume the worst.

I am ignorant, what has Forcier done that has "rubbed many people the wrong way?"
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 PM
Personally, I think Beaver will be the one that comes out smelling like roses in all of this.  I really think that Newsome wasn't afraid of Forcier committing  and having to compete with Forcier for the starting job.  I think he was more afraid of competing with Beaver.

Another note about Forcier, hasn't he and Beaver gotten pretty close over the whole recruiting process.  I think that has something to why Forcier has kept Michigan at the top of his list.  From the way it looks, Newsome may have just felt like the odd man out.

But, as I said, I really thought that Beaver was going to be the one to beat from this class of QB recruits.

Lastly, for all of you bashing on Forcier, is he really any worse than Newsome showing that he may be afraid of a little competition???  I'd also like to know why you are so down on Tate as well...  We just keep hearing how you don't want Tate at Michigan, but I can't recall hearing any good reasons as to why.  Just wondering, that's all...
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:22 AM
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I don't understand the Forcier bashing that always comes up.  Unless you have met him personally, you can't have an opinion on his personality.  If the kid is good enough to play at Michigan, and he wants to be at Michigan, what can anyone have against him?

Agreed.  I don't entirely understand it either.  Most of the previous posts I've read that have been fomenting this attitude towards TF seem to have been fueled by either misguided anger regarding his brother or the fear that his refusal to stop considering Michigan would scare off Newsome... and now Newsome's gone. 

And it’s sorta been a vicious cycle.  Throughout this entire tease that was Newsome’s fleeting commitment to Michigan, the shaky nature of his commitment justfueled the fan flames against TF even more.  But at the same time Newsome's shaky commitment was providing a very good reason for Forcier not to drop Michigan, and continue to keep his Wolverine option open, since Newsome might  be bailing at any moment.

That, and his family absolutely loves Michigan.  Here's a Scout article from a few years ago about his brother Jason:


"After a Pop Warner football game, we’d go to a sports restaurant likeTrophy’s to watch Michigan play," Mike Foricer said. "All three boyswould be in their football gear lined up smallest to tallest, like goodlittle soldiers. They were just six, eight and 10-years-old. The crowdat Trophy’s restaurant loved them. Jason would always take Michiganfootball and sports to the heart. Ever since he was little, I canremember playing with him regarding what he would do if Michigan neededhim today in a game? Or we would ask him; 'Are you ready to go in ifMichigan needs you today?' His eyes would light up, his face would geta big smile. 'Do you love Michigan, Jason?'

"Most of the time he’d already be in his football pads and we’d ask.'If the defense keeps getting to the Michigan QB, you’re going to haveto get in there Jason,' and he'd looked over at me and tell me with alittle uncertainty and say, 'You can’t do that, they're too far away.'We’d tell him its Michigan magic, and of course kids love magic beinginnocent combined with his love for Michigan football. He’d get excitedwith the possibility.

http://michigan.scout.com/2/396437.html

Seriously, if you were raised in a family like that, and had an offer from Michigan on the table, and one of the QB commits looked like they were going to bail, would you have given up on playing for the Wolverines?

Not to mention, Forcier is a perfect fit for RR's offense.  From ESPN (And, yes, I know ESPN's doesn't have the best rep in CFB recruiting coverage business):


He has excellent speed for the position, but he's really a passer who happens to be athletic enough to run a spread or read-option attackwith ease.

ESPN Link

Hmm... spread & read-option with ease.


Has had to play out of the shotgun often in order to see the entire field. Has ideal skills for his team's offense--excellent pre-snapreads, a quick release and great accuracy.

Hmm... shotgun.   Excellent ability to make pre-snap reads.  Whose offense likes to work from the shotgun and places a premium on pre-snap reads?


Forcier needs to find the right scheme to make the most of his abilities, but he shows outstanding intangibles, anticipation and savvy in the passing game.

And in need of scheme that sounds a lot like what RR can offer.

I just can't work up the dislike against a kid with the opportunity to realize a childhood dream and seems to fit the bill of what our offense needs at QB.

Now maybe I’m entirely wrong, but if Forcier does decide that Michigan is the best fit, and commits to our great school,  I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:45 AM
Before we all commit Harry Carey ( I know spelled it like the annoucer)  Lets not forget we have 2008 to play and what if Threet, Sheridan, or FEAGIN play out of their mind?  I think we are selling what we have as opposed to what we might get short.  Feagin maybe what we all are looking for.  Lets see how 08 plays out I dont think we are in as bad a shape as people might think.  Remember RR made Shaun King a starting NFL qb, not a good one but one indeed.  How many were saying dang we didnt get King to commit?? 
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:57 AM
Could we please stop it with all the "Newsome's afraid of competition" nonsense?  He hasn't said or done anything to suggest that.

He lives in Virginia.  His ex-coach wants him to play in-state (meaning for Virginia Tech).  Ever since he committed, there have been reports that members of his family have been telling him that he made his decision too early and that he owes it to himself to give full consideration to other options (Virginia Tech).  Virginia Tech thought they had Tajh Boyd wrapped up, then he committed to West Virginia and left them without a QB recruit this year, so they've continued to come after Newsome with a passion.  Whenever he goes anywhere, people lean on him about VT.  I'm sure Michigan's staff knew they'd be battling for his loyalty down to the wire.

It's tough for a kid to commit to an out-of-state school under daily pressure from a local program, no matter how good a head he has on his shoulders.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 PM
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The Rivals story says, "we called RR at his office, and since he wasn't there to recieve call, we left him a message about decommiting, and that if he calls us back, we will talk to him then."  What a scumbag POS move that is.  Wow, take your sorry overrated A_S to some second tier school then you loser. What did that message on the machine sound like?? RR will probably be scared to death to check his answering machine from now on i bet.   Just remember we are Michigan, he WILL be replaced. What a classless move that was. 


OK seriously, bashing a recruit just because he decommitted and YOU are calling HIM classless? Get a life.
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Re:Newsome no longer committed - Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:05 PM
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The Rivals story says, "we called RR at his office, and since he wasn't there to recieve call, we left him a message about decommiting, and that if he calls us back, we will talk to him then."  What a scumbag POS move that is.  Wow, take your sorry overrated A_S to some second tier school then you loser. What did that message on the machine sound like?? RR will probably be scared to death to check his answering machine from now on i bet.   Just remember we are Michigan, he WILL be replaced. What a classless move that was. 


OK seriously, bashing a recruit just because he decommitted and YOU are calling HIM classless? Get a life.


Donig it by way of voicemail is classless. Might as well send him a text.
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