Tate Forcier...

... is going to end up at Michigan, mark it down. He recently made a myspace post with the header, "College Choice". This was the short and simple message:

1) Michigan
2) Penn State
3) Oregon
4) Texas A&M
5) Arizona State
6) Florida
7) New Mexico

Who should it be???

Looks to me like we're going to get QB commit #3 sometime sooner or later, I would go with sooner. He asked "who should it be???" and multiple people commented with "go blue!" or "Commit to Michigan" or something of that sort.

Now, if he does jump on board, who leaves, Beaver or Newsome? I would go with Beaver, only because he will be pressured to go to TCU so he doesn't ride the bench or change positions. Newsome will stay so they can have a battle for the ages to see who can run Michigan's new offense.

Remember, this isn't official news or anything, but I don't get that feeling too often about recruits; when you do you're normally right.

Beaver is 120% for Michigan. If anyone leaves as a result of Forcier picking Michigan, it'll be Newsome.

If Forcier does indeed pick UM, we'll quickly see how much Newsome was really affected by McNeal this past weekend.

Is there any chance that Rodriguez takes all three if none back out? Beaver could play wide receiver, so I guess that is a small but possible option.

I'm sure he would. It's just always been assumed that Beaver is Blue no matter what, and only one of Newsome/Forcier would stick.

God I am so sick of this Forcier crap.  Welcome to the new and equally if not more so Terelle Pryor Show!  This kid can not get enough attention and I wouldn't be suprised if he really does drag this out til signing day.

Eh.... Pryor drags out his commitment till a month after signing day while Forcier still has a month till his senior season begins.  I see where you are coming from but I'm not sure I'd compare the two just yet.   On that note, I'd expect to see more behavior like that of Forcier's in the future with big time recruits simply because of how the exposure of recruiting has evolved in the last 5 years. 

Has Beaver commented about that possibility of switching positions if all 3 end up at Michigan?   

There really hasn't been anything recently from Beaver.  Last I heard was he was good friends with McNeil and they were trying to get some other guys to come to UM but that was months ago.  Haven't seen his name at any of the big camps recently either.  He's gone more underground than Newsome.  At least KN has resurfaced in the media      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/andy_staples/07/23/kevin.newsome/

I just recently talk to Beaver and i asked him about his commitment to michigan and he said he is and all ways will be blue.  He is so excited to be coming to michigan this kid is going to be special player.

I wouldn't mind having him.

Made by Maize Veins

GO BLUE

I know we're thin at RichRod style qb's, but is it wise to have 3 in the same class?

Will that affect future classes, not just in terms of getting recruits, but just number of schollies allocated to 1 position?

“If we’re not committed 100 percent to everything we do in our lives, we start to fall short of our dreams.”
Mike Barwis

I would think it would just mean that you would not need to recruit a QB the next year and maybe (depending on redshirts) not the following year either.

MaizeRage6320


Now, if he does jump on board, who leaves, Beaver or Newsome? I would go with Beaver, only because he will be pressured to go to TCU so he doesn't ride the bench or change positions. Newsome will stay so they can have a battle for the ages to see who can run Michigan's new offense.

I think Beaver and Newsome are better than Forcier, so my guess is that Tate would be foolish to come here.  He's gonna be the one to transfer out and not play like his older brother.

Go Blue!!

RR said in one of his first pressers, that he would like to take 2 QB's each year.
If Tate wanted to come to Michigan he should have committed long ago.
He seems to me as more of a self promoter, that could be because of his handlers.

I will be happy with the two we have, as long as both come.

He should go to Penn St. so our D can pound on him year in and year out....

Go Blue!!

aMaizingMachine


RR said in one of his first pressers, that he would like to take 2 QB's each year.
If Tate wanted to come to Michigan he should have committed long ago.
He seems to me as more of a self promoter, that could be because of his handlers.

I will be happy with the two we have, as long as both come.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Tate could make the biggest impact as a freshman of the three because of his mechanics. He grew up in a family of collegiate quarterbacks, so he has taken in plenty of coaching already. He completed around 70% of his passes in high school, which is remarkable.

Brian at MGoBlog claims that Newsome has more potential because he hasn't had quarterback coaching compared to Forcier, so once he gets it he will be able to surpass Forcier. The only difference is that Tate could step in and throw almost immediately, learning the feel of the college game. Newsome may be a bit faster, but Tate is plenty athletic enough to run options. To me if Tate Forcier and Kevin Newsome both commit to Michigan (and stick to it) we will be in great shape to mold the QB that wins national titles with Rich Rodriguez. They would compete and bring out the very best in each other, and it would show us the true potential of the two.

MaizeRage6320

aMaizingMachine


RR said in one of his first pressers, that he would like to take 2 QB's each year.
If Tate wanted to come to Michigan he should have committed long ago.
He seems to me as more of a self promoter, that could be because of his handlers.

I will be happy with the two we have, as long as both come.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Tate could make the biggest impact as a freshman of the three because of his mechanics. He grew up in a family of collegiate quarterbacks, so he has taken in plenty of coaching already. He completed around 70% of his passes in high school, which is remarkable.

Brian at MGoBlog claims that Newsome has more potential because he hasn't had quarterback coaching compared to Forcier, so once he gets it he will be able to surpass Forcier. The only difference is that Tate could step in and throw almost immediately, learning the feel of the college game. Newsome may be a bit faster, but Tate is plenty athletic enough to run options. To me if Tate Forcier and Kevin Newsome both commit to Michigan (and stick to it) we will be in great shape to mold the QB that wins national titles with Rich Rodriguez. They would compete and bring out the very best in each other, and it would show us the true potential of the two.

If Tate Forcier is anything like his older brother Jason, and ends up as our QB next year, we are screwed....

Go Blue!!

ScottsdaleBlue

MaizeRage6320


Now, if he does jump on board, who leaves, Beaver or Newsome? I would go with Beaver, only because he will be pressured to go to TCU so he doesn't ride the bench or change positions. Newsome will stay so they can have a battle for the ages to see who can run Michigan's new offense.

I think Beaver and Newsome are better than Forcier, so my guess is that Tate would be foolish to come here.  He's gonna be the one to transfer out and not play like his older brother.

Go Blue!!

And that's not taking into account that Feagin might be the second coming of Pat White. Or that Threet proves to be much more effective than anticipated. Both of these guys are going to have a year under their belts going into 2009...Forcier better be sh*t hot if he expects to top all that competition...

One reason I would not take three this year is because for 2010 there are two pretty good QB's in Michigan alone, Gardner and Bolden.  You don't need to be overstacked this year if you can grab one of these guys next year and having three this year may hurt our chances at either one.

OC Michigan Fan


I know we're thin at RichRod style qb's, but is it wise to have 3 in the same class?

Will that affect future classes, not just in terms of getting recruits, but just number of schollies allocated to 1 position?

Newsome is the qb that I hope we land. I just think he's gonna be the real deal plus he's gonna get a lot of good experience by going to Hargrave. I like Tate Forcier but I think Newsome is going to be better than him.

thenickster


Newsome is the qb that I hope we land. I just think he's gonna be the real deal plus he's gonna get a lot of good experience by going to Hargrave. I like Tate Forcier but I think Newsome is going to be better than him.

I agree.  By going to Hargrave, Newsome will be tested like he never would have at his public high school.  Combine that with the coaching that he will recieve and I would be shocked if he isn't a 5* prospect at the end of this season.

Forcier might have the best mechanics now, but from a potential point of view, there's no doubt in my mind that Newsome has the bigger upside!

Looks like Rivals has Tate making a visit on Aug. 30th for Utah game, or on Oct. 24th for M.S. game.  They don't know which will be an official visit though.

Tate Forcier is full of himself and personally I don't want him anywhere near U of M. He could have picked Michigan long ago, he shuffled his feet and Beaver commited, you snoose you lose.

"When you coach at Michigan, you walk on water, period. There's a difference."-Don Nehlen

So, your saying that he hasn't committed to michigan yet because he's full of himself? God forbid a guy waits until he even starts playing his senior year before deciding who he's going to play for. Give him another 9 months before you dub him the next TP

GoBlueWalls


So, your saying that he hasn't committed to michigan yet because he's full of himself? God forbid a guy waits until he even starts playing his senior year before deciding who he's going to play for. Give him another 9 months before you dub him the next TP

Go read the kid's website. It doesn't take a psychology degree to figure out that he's pretty cocky.

EFWolverine

GoBlueWalls


So, your saying that he hasn't committed to michigan yet because he's full of himself? God forbid a guy waits until he even starts playing his senior year before deciding who he's going to play for. Give him another 9 months before you dub him the next TP

Go read the kid's website. It doesn't take a psychology degree to figure out that he's pretty cocky.

Bingo, him being full of himself has nothing to do with Michigan, thats just the way he is(correction, the way all of the Forciers appear to be) His website is an example, the fact that he showed up at Michigan's camp unannounced and uninvited in an attempt to try to show RR and Co what they missed out on, and he is currently trying to sabotage Kevin Newsome's commitment(named us in his top 5, and flat out lied about his "official visit date" with Michigan even though Michigan is no longer actively recruiting him)

"When you coach at Michigan, you walk on water, period. There's a difference."-Don Nehlen

He does have good mechanics and a high completion rate, but he doesn't have a big arm, he throws a lot of short passes. Threet has a bigger arm. I'm hearing that Feagin is looking good so far, even Trent was impressed by his speed, and work ethic.
I did my homework on all these QBs long ago and someone asked who i thought RR likes, and i said Kevin along with another QB/ATH from the south, as we had a lot of options for a QB/ATH.
Kevin is a beast! he will be a great one, and Beaver is as good or better then we could expect as another option.
I'm just happy with who we have now, and would like to see 1 or 2 more come in the next year also..
We just don't need 3 QBs in 1 class, RR may even take another ATH, who has played QB in high school, (we have a few of those now) but another pure QB would mess us up for the future.
And like a few others have said, I'm not sure i like where Tates head is.

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MichFan4Life


.... and flat out lied about his "official visit date" with Michigan even though Michigan is no longer actively recruiting him)

What did he lie about his official visit date?  He's either coming one day or the other.

Tell Rich Rodrigeuz I said whats up for me, will ya?  Oh, you don't actually know RR?  Then how do you know he is not recruiting Tate any longer?

Tate, please go somewhere else!!

ScottsdaleBlue


Tate, please go somewhere else!!

Exactly.  Just go away already, I'm sick of listening to you.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

TK23Blue

ScottsdaleBlue


Tate, please go somewhere else!!

Exactly.  Just go away already, I'm sick of listening to you.

What's all of the negativity towards Tate all about? He hasn't made much of a splash with his recruiting news, he isn't making this into a show like Terrell Pryor did. He has a million offers on the table and he already has his list narrowed down to six before his senior season, and a lot of this stuff comes from myspace, which is just him speaking to specific people, not the public. If he wants to go to Michigan so be it, I think he could give Newsome a run for his money because potential doesn't ever guarantee success.

MaizeRage6320

TK23Blue

ScottsdaleBlue


Tate, please go somewhere else!!

Exactly.  Just go away already, I'm sick of listening to you.

What's all of the negativity towards Tate all about? He hasn't made much of a splash with his recruiting news, he isn't making this into a show like Terrell Pryor did. He has a million offers on the table and he already has his list narrowed down to six before his senior season, and a lot of this stuff comes from myspace, which is just him speaking to specific people, not the public. If he wants to go to Michigan so be it, I think he could give Newsome a run for his money because potential doesn't ever guarantee success.

If he commits, the only run he's going to give Newsome is a run to another school. That can be interpreted as Newsome shying away from competition, or Newsome believing that Michigan was only taking 2 QBs and felt like he was lied to.

PLEASE....Newsome will mop the floor with Tate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jason Forcier was a terrible QB and had no business going to Michigan in the first place.  His younger brother hopefiully willlearn and not attend Michigan.  Tate will not sniff the field.

ScottsdaleBlue


PLEASE....Newsome will mop the floor with Tate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jason Forcier was a terrible QB and had no business going to Michigan in the first place.  His younger brother hopefiully willlearn and not attend Michigan.  Tate will not sniff the field.

You're way off target here buddy. Jason Forcier was behind CHAD HENNE, hmm, wonder why he left? Tate is much more advanced in passing right now than Newsome, throwing at a 70% clip against some of the best competition in the country. He doesn't have as strong of an arm as Newsome, but he is much more consistent at completing passes. Newsome, on the other hand, is raw quarterback potential. If Tate and Newsome were to line up on the field right now, Tate would be a better passer by far. Now, that being said, Newsome does have potential, but the last time I checked potential doesn't guarantee results. Just because he is switching to a military school doesn't mean he is going to become an efficient passer over the course of one year.

If Newsome is truly committed to Michigan he will accept Tate as competition like Beaver and outwork him, leaving us with the QB we need to get back to the top.

*Cough, I meant to say 77% clip, along with the ranking as high school's most accurate passer (according to Rivals), mop that up*

MaizeRage6320

TK23Blue

ScottsdaleBlue


Tate, please go somewhere else!!

Exactly.  Just go away already, I'm sick of listening to you.

What's all of the negativity towards Tate all about? He hasn't made much of a splash with his recruiting news, he isn't making this into a show like Terrell Pryor did. He has a million offers on the table and he already has his list narrowed down to six before his senior season, and a lot of this stuff comes from myspace, which is just him speaking to specific people, not the public. If he wants to go to Michigan so be it, I think he could give Newsome a run for his money because potential doesn't ever guarantee success.

Thats all I was trying to get at. I don't particularly like him but I don't understand how everyone gets off on talking sh!t about him when no matter how cocky he is, he's a 17-18 y/o football player. I'm not sure how your HS football programs were at whatever HS's most of you attended, but in the last 3 years there have been 4-5 people get full rides to major programs, including 1 to OSU, 1 to MSU, and a rising senior just recently got a full ride to cincy. They were all basically the most dominate players on our team for their respective years, and they knew it. Football is to macho of a sport to have people who are tentative about their abilities do well. To be good, you have to have some level of cockiness. I guarentee even mister level head kevin newsome talks some level of trash on the field. Now with that said, im mainly playing devils advocate here and I feel we would be better off without him because of the fact i've always had a preference for Newsome and Beaver, and think with them we will do magnificently in the coming future.

ScottsdaleBlue


PLEASE....Newsome will mop the floor with Tate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jason Forcier was a terrible QB and had no business going to Michigan in the first place.  His younger brother hopefiully willlearn and not attend Michigan.  Tate will not sniff the field.

Yeah, using the older brother to predict a high school senior's success might not be the best way to evaluate talent!

Forcier, who I have not seen play, comes off like Jimmy Clausen to me. Aren't they both the 3rd boy in their family to play D1 qb? And neither seem to be lacking in the confidence department.

“If we’re not committed 100 percent to everything we do in our lives, we start to fall short of our dreams.”
Mike Barwis

A former coach at Michigan, whom I know personally, said that Forcier was not a good QB....Either one of them.

I saw Jason play.  I was not impressed.

I've seen Tate play.  I'm not impressed.  And neither are the people at Michigan I talk too.

I don't care how many passes he completed in HS.  I completed over 75% of my passes in HS.  Bobby Hoying completed 60% of his passes.  He got the scholly to Ohio St. and I didn't.  Completion % doesn't mean ****.

OC Michigan Fan is right.  Ever seen the movie Multiplicity with Michael Keaton.  The more clones he makes of himself, the more off-center and different they become.  Tate Forcier is a good QB, but he has no business playing at Michigan.

Go Blue!!

MaizeRage6320

ScottsdaleBlue


PLEASE....Newsome will mop the floor with Tate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jason Forcier was a terrible QB and had no business going to Michigan in the first place.  His younger brother hopefiully willlearn and not attend Michigan.  Tate will not sniff the field.

You're way off target here buddy. Jason Forcier was behind CHAD HENNE, hmm, wonder why he left? Tate is much more advanced in passing right now than Newsome, throwing at a 70% clip against some of the best competition in the country. He doesn't have as strong of an arm as Newsome, but he is much more consistent at completing passes. Newsome, on the other hand, is raw quarterback potential. If Tate and Newsome were to line up on the field right now, Tate would be a better passer by far. Now, that being said, Newsome does have potential, but the last time I checked potential doesn't guarantee results. Just because he is switching to a military school doesn't mean he is going to become an efficient passer over the course of one year.

If Newsome is truly committed to Michigan he will accept Tate as competition like Beaver and outwork him, leaving us with the QB we need to get back to the top.

*Cough, I meant to say 77% clip, along with the ranking as high school's most accurate passer (according to Rivals), mop that up*

Ok, did a little homework after reading the part about playing against some of the best competion in the country. Scripps Ranch finished 6-5 last year in San Diego's D 2. I don't know about his teammates, but that's not saying much. The San Diego area is not the USC recruiting hot bead that LA and Orange County are.
And when Scripp's did play a legit team, they got smoked, which I kinda have to believe his stats were racked up against the crappy teams.  For example, Scripps got rolled by Corona Centennial 55-16. A few weeks later Matt Barkley at Mater Dei threw for over 400 yards on Centennial en route to a 57-31 win. 

Let's not forget that Andre Ware won a Heisman for his numbers!

“If we’re not committed 100 percent to everything we do in our lives, we start to fall short of our dreams.”
Mike Barwis

ScottsdaleBlue


A former coach at Michigan, whom I know personally, said that Forcier was not a good QB....Either one of them.

I saw Jason play.  I was not impressed.

I've seen Tate play.  I'm not impressed.  And neither are the people at Michigan I talk too.

I don't care how many passes he completed in HS.  I completed over 75% of my passes in HS.  Bobby Hoying completed 60% of his passes.  He got the scholly to Ohio St. and I didn't.  Completion % doesn't mean ****.

OC Michigan Fan is right.  Ever seen the movie Multiplicity with Michael Keaton.  The more clones he makes of himself, the more off-center and different they become.  Tate Forcier is a good QB, but he has no business playing at Michigan.

Go Blue!!

So I guess you know much more about Tate's abilities than Michigan's football staff, huh? I don't care what you think about completion percentage, 77% against the likes of top California competition is incredible.  They continue to recruit Tate, this is clear. You also need to re-evaluate your ability to break down a player's tape if you think what Tate does is unimpressive. Multiple times he is all but done and finds a way to make a huge play out of nothing. He throws very accurately on the run, and he hits so many receivers in the hands down field it's sick. The kid can play, and I think he has a much brighter future than his brothers had. If Tate Forcier comes to Michigan and ruins Big Ten defenses I will not be surprised one bit, but I would say the same about Newsome. Both are great prospects.

*Tate also holds many more major offers than his brother Jason ever did, which is a good indicator. The only other quarterback in the country with more offers is Aaron Murray with 52, Tate only has a measly 34. Stop with the hate people.

I think we have a good crop of QB's between the current class and the next. Competition is a very good thing but too many competitors may not be: Threet and Feagin will have one year under there belts and Newsome and Beaver will make 4 QB's. Tate would be 5. When does the number get to high to be precise with the quality of each individual? And how would this impact reps? Those are my concerns. I think Tate will be a good QB but I'm willing to stand pat with what we have and produce a good signal caller (or two) from this bunch.

MaizeRage6320

ScottsdaleBlue


A former coach at Michigan, whom I know personally, said that Forcier was not a good QB....Either one of them.

I saw Jason play.  I was not impressed.

I've seen Tate play.  I'm not impressed.  And neither are the people at Michigan I talk too.

I don't care how many passes he completed in HS.  I completed over 75% of my passes in HS.  Bobby Hoying completed 60% of his passes.  He got the scholly to Ohio St. and I didn't.  Completion % doesn't mean ****.

OC Michigan Fan is right.  Ever seen the movie Multiplicity with Michael Keaton.  The more clones he makes of himself, the more off-center and different they become.  Tate Forcier is a good QB, but he has no business playing at Michigan.

Go Blue!!

So I guess you know much more about Tate's abilities than Michigan's football staff, huh? I don't care what you think about completion percentage, 77% against the likes of top California competition is incredible.  They continue to recruit Tate, this is clear. You also need to re-evaluate your ability to break down a player's tape if you think what Tate does is unimpressive. Multiple times he is all but done and finds a way to make a huge play out of nothing. He throws very accurately on the run, and he hits so many receivers in the hands down field it's sick. The kid can play, and I think he has a much brighter future than his brothers had. If Tate Forcier comes to Michigan and ruins Big Ten defenses I will not be surprised one bit, but I would say the same about Newsome. Both are great prospects.

*Tate also holds many more major offers than his brother Jason ever did, which is a good indicator. The only other quarterback in the country with more offers is Aaron Murray with 52, Tate only has a measly 34. Stop with the hate people.

Don't you think part of the reason he has so many offers is because he wants to have so many? This is the exact reason he's annoyed many of the people on this board. If Barkley wanted 53 offers, he could have had them. But Tate seems to enjoy the pub of getting offers and then posting them on his website.

“If we’re not committed 100 percent to everything we do in our lives, we start to fall short of our dreams.”
Mike Barwis