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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:59 PM
To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE
 
you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats
 
And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?

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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:03 PM

ORIGINAL: Maize927

To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE

you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats

And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?


Completely disagree.  It is your duty as an american to take a good hard look at ALL candidates, decide which one will best serve the country, and vote for that person.  If you think McCain has everything but just one or two things right, then vote for him.  And vice versa. 
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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:57 AM

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It will be interesting to hear the debates, because McCain is really going to make Obama actually say something other than "yes we can" and "Be the Change" (maybe that last one was Ghandi...). 


 
Obama actually has a lot of substance to what he says but when he has such soaring rhetoric that goes along with it and gets most of the press, it's been easy strategy for Clinton and McCain to try to claim he doesn't have anything else.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:21 AM
Maize927


To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE

you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats

And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?



I'm sorry, but you may not like the side McCain is on, but to call a guy who not only served our military and went through the torture he went through, evil is pretty awful. Now you may not necessarily literally mean evil..I hope.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:42 PM
Umm..'the lesser of 2 evils' is an idiom, not a literal statement.  I don't think anyone is calling McCain (or Obama) evil.
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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Monday, August 11, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Obama for President?
> After months of searching the entire United States for a candidate for President
> and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, hours upon hours of debate, a very
> expensive National Convention, the Democratic  Party presented us with the very
> best candidate they could find, and listed below are his qualifications.




> 2008 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
>
>
>
>
> QUALIFICATIONS REVIEW        Congress                      Millitary
>           >                                     143 days                          0
>

End of Review

> Vote with your brain and not with your emotions!
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RE: Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:51 AM
mgobob


Subject: Obama for President?
> After months of searching the entire United States for a candidate for President
> and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, hours upon hours of debate, a very
> expensive National Convention, the Democratic  Party presented us with the very
> best candidate they could find, and listed below are his qualifications.




> 2008 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
>
>
>
>
> QUALIFICATIONS REVIEW        Congress                      Millitary
>           >                                     143 days                          0
>

End of Review

> Vote with your brain and not with your emotions!


Which is exactly why I would vote for him, because 'qualifications' have been so helpful to us.  I mean, look at our guy now.  He was a governor so that's good.  He ran a baseball team into the ground as well as Arbusto (perfect name) Energy, Spectrum 7, and Harken Energy.  Ok, so he couldn't run a company.  Doesn't mean he can't run a country does it? Besides, he was the head cheerleader at Phillips Academy.  That has to count for something.  Yeah, ok.  So he scored the lowest possible grade on the pilot's acceptance exam for the Texas Air National Guard and had a few problems with drunk driving and cocaine.  So what?  He's more than qualified to run this country.  He must be-he got "voted" in twice.  Ok, so he ran this country into the ditch just like everything else he's touched.  Give the guy a break.

McCain has been around a long time.  Possibly longer than dirt itself.  Not sure if he'll make it 4 years but replacements are easy to find.  During his hundred years in the 'biz', he's had plenty of time to develop strong ties to The Secret Handshake Club, special interest groups, dirty deeds done dirt cheap, back door deals, and all those other "qualifications" that are necessary to run a country...further into the weeds.  He's even managed to befriend the Democratic party and ride the fence to bag some easy votes by ripping his President.  (That same president that now has imprints of McCain's lips on his backside.)  Yep, that's my guy.  And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 

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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:36 PM
And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 


Why does he have to chose a platform?  Is that a precursor to your vote?  Or does this simply mean the man that reaches across the isle is a bad bad man?  I have not seen Obama do it yet!
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:43 PM
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And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 


Why does he have to chose a platform?  Is that a precursor to your vote?  Or does this simply mean the man that reaches across the isle is a bad bad man?  I have not seen Obama do it yet!


Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief or stance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know how Bush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
  When McCain publicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get a bit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn't know.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs.  But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok, I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:18 AM
Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief orstance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know howBush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
  When McCainpublicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get abit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn'tknow.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs. But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok,I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.

Well, with answers like this I guess you really didnt understand my statement.  I simply asked if your precursor was that he must DECLARE one side or the other.  And whats so wrong with being truthful?  If you really dont know what to do about the economy, then say it!  Dont blow smoke up everyone's hole, only to screw it up and say "my bad."  No one person, no matter HOW great Obama looks to you (yes, you can tell thats where your at.  If I am wrong, then you truly must be lost at this point) NO one knows everything there is to know about running a country.  Thats why you appoint heads of state, departments and so on, to help you run the country.  No president has EVER done it completely on his own.  So, is he wrong to be honest?  According to you, yes, we cant have someone who is honest.  Sad state of affairs.
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:55 AM
The_Michigan_Man


Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief orstance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know howBush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
When McCainpublicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get abit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn'tknow.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs. But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok,I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.

Well, with answers like this I guess you really didnt understand my statement.  I simply asked if your precursor was that he must DECLARE one side or the other.  And whats so wrong with being truthful?  If you really dont know what to do about the economy, then say it!  Dont blow smoke up everyone's hole, only to screw it up and say "my bad."  No one person, no matter HOW great Obama looks to you (yes, you can tell thats where your at.  If I am wrong, then you truly must be lost at this point) NO one knows everything there is to know about running a country.  Thats why you appoint heads of state, departments and so on, to help you run the country.  No president has EVER done it completely on his own.  So, is he wrong to be honest?  According to you, yes, we cant have someone who is honest.  Sad state of affairs.


You're dead-on.  I didn't understand your original statement, nor do I understand this one.  Declare one side or the other??  Just to make sure I understand, are you saying McCain doesn't have to declare a position on the issues that voters care about i.e the war, oil, the economy, education, health care, taxes, etc etc?  Sooo...we just go ahead and vote for him and he can tell us later?  Is this what you're saying?  Please clarify.
I'm not sure how honesty came into this but I do know this: If Obama had said 'I have no clue what to do in Iraq" the Republican machine would have gone into high gear and been all over that one.  Please, get real.  Not sure where I said the guy has to know everything and do it on his own as it's pretty obvious nobody has had any answers the past 8 years.  I actually agree with Bob's original post on qualifications...partially.  On one side we have a guy without much in the way of experience while the other guy is half-baked.  If this is the best this country can produce for candidates, we're all in trouble.  But then again, when hasn't that been the case?

PS: If you think anybody is honest in politics we have a whole different problem to discuss.



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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:45 AM
I honestly think that plenty of people WERE honest when they decided to take upon themselves their position.  However, money and greed tend to push the honest man, into an un-honest man.  I dont believe that ANY one is completely honest.  I believe that one person can be LESS distrustful then the other.  What I was talking about in declaring one side.  Does one have to say "I AM REPUBLICAN, THUS I MUST OBIDE BY THE REPUB. STATE OF MIND!"
JM is a Republican, but has not followed all the time on the R party line.  And I guess my question is, because he does NOT tow the party line, and thus not clearly defined, does that make him less electable in your mind?
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:32 AM
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I honestly think that plenty of people WERE honest when they decided to take upon themselves their position.  However, money and greed tend to push the honest man, into an un-honest man.  I dont believe that ANY one is completely honest.  I believe that one person can be LESS distrustful then the other.  What I was talking about in declaring one side.  Does one have to say "I AM REPUBLICAN, THUS I MUST OBIDE BY THE REPUB. STATE OF MIND!"
JM is a Republican, but has not followed all the time on the R party line.  And I guess my question is, because he does NOT tow the party line, and thus not clearly defined, does that make him less electable in your mind?


TK23Blue isn't talking about aligning with a party.  He's talking about making your stances (or in this case John McCain making his stances) clear, regardless of where they lie on the political party spectrum.
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:21 PM
now it makes sense.  Thanks Tom!
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:23 PM
> > Forget about McLain & Obama, I want this guy!
> >
> > I, BILL COSBY, HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
> >
> >
> > HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
> >
> > (1) Press 1 for English is immediately banned. English is
> > the official
> > language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
> >
> > (2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist
> > posture to
> > straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no
> > exports. We will use
> > the 'Walmart' policy,'If we ain't got it,
> > you don't need it.'
> >
> > (3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import
> > tax on it.
> >
> > (4) All retired military personnel will be required to man
> > one of our many
> > observation towers on the southern border. (six month
> > tour). They will be
> > under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
> >
> > (5) Social security will immediately return to its original
> > state. If you
> > didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out.
> > The president nor any
> > other politician will not be able to touch it.
> >
> > (6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the
> > end of the 40 hour
> > school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and
> > a passing grade.
> >
> >
> > (7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you
> > check positive
> > you're banned for life.
> >
> > (8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first
> > time you steal, you
> > lose your right hand. There are no more life sentences. If
> > convicted, you
> > will be put to death by the same method you chose for your
> > victim; gun,
> > knife, strangulation, etc.
> >
> > (9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to
> > eat. A bushel of
> > wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
> >
> > (10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will
> > immediately cease,
> > and the saved money will pay off the national debt and
> > ultimately lower
> > taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask
> > the American people
> > if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen
> > can make the
> > decision whether it's a worthy cause.
> >
> > (11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at
> > school and every day
> > in Congress.
> >
> > (12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate
> > ceremonies,
> > sporting events, outings, etc.
> >
> > (13) And the most important: 'In God We Trust' will
> > forever be a tribute to
> > truth and freedom.
> >
> > Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me
> > will get you better
> > than what you have, and better than what you're gonna
> > get.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on
> > the ballot in
> > November.
> >
> >
> > God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Bill Cosby 
> >
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:34 PM

This says it about as well as it can be stated.
O = ZERO
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler


The "O"-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit . No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works , no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity . He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of , is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners . Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners.
Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand - how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior
is all the more cause for liberals to worship him:
Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.


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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Wednesday, August 13, 2008 7:33 PM
mgobob



This says it about as well as it can be stated.


By 'it' do you mean that both the "writer" and yourself are ignorant, prejudiced and misguided?
There is not one fact in that diatribe.  It is all opinion and conjecture.  
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:52 PM
mgobob



This says it about as well as it can be stated.
O = ZERO
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler


The "O"-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit . No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works , no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity . He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of , is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners . Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners.
Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand - how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior
is all the more cause for liberals to worship him:
Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd
Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.





Now Bob, is this the same Dr. Jack Wheeler who wrote this little gem?
[id=tmppasteie1218753300773]Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 31 January 2008

The number of fellow Senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine."

Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum, or Jim Inhofe. "The man is unhinged," one Senator told me. "He is frighteningly unfit to be Commander-in-Chief."

and this:
[And that last point is why - be prepared for this, folks - I would not in any circumstances vote for John McCain, not if either Hillary or Obama were the alternative. Evil is safer than crazy. Leftie amateur inexperience is safer than crazy..

And this is just a small sampling from his rant claiming that John McCain conspired with the communists when he was a POW.  I can post the entire letter if you like, but it's 10 pages long.
Everytime you post this stuff Bob, you start with "if this doesn't say it all".  Well, this time, you're right.  You've managed to post yet another obscure rambling from another nut job who is deep into the later stages of alcohol psychosis and has a major agenda.  (I'll let you figure out what that agenda is.)  Someone may want to clue Dr. Jack into the fact that since he doesn't like McCain and Obama has zero expereience he's pretty much out of choices at this point.

McCain very well may be nuts but at least he's only been a conservative for 18 mos or so.  There is some good news I suppose.  So there you go-one guy is nuts while the other has no experience.  Not sure how this is any different than most years.

 

 
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Re:Obama vs. McCain - it's official - Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:34 PM
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/troops-deployed-abroad-give-61.html

Troops give to Obama 6:1 over McCain.  Will the Obama camp take advantage of this and attack McCain for not being on the side of our troops?  Does anyone think this could potentially sink McCain?  His biggest asset is supposed to be his military background, but if our troops don't support him, how does he defend that?

Speaking of McCain's military background.  He keeps saying how we are going to "win the war in Iraq."  Someone mentioned something that he is never called out on: you can't win an occupation.  This isn't WWII.  Is he going to win the war in Iraq like he won the war in Vietnam???  The sad thing is that he can get away with it because he's a "war hero."  Everyone greatly honors his sacrifice, but there's nobody calling him out on this stuff because they don't want to seem like they're not honoring a "war hero."