Obama vs. McCain - it's official

Believe me, I am not a fan of McCain either, but I am a Republican. I am being forced to make a choice now between the lesser of the two evils, and who will benefit me the most. Truthfully, at my age I have to look at who will be there for me when I retire.

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After watching world news tonight and Glen Beck the other night, all they seem to be bringing up is Obama and his flip flopping, he is now changing positions to get the far right voters. As I said before this guy scares me, he is to wishy-washy to be any kind of a leader.

Yep, standard operating procedure for the Republicans.  Dems are too wishy-washy and they're flip-floppers.  Nice try.  Now, spend some time and do some homework checking McCain's flip-flops.  This guy is all over the map and has changed his views on topics 3 times, sometimes more.  See: Drilling in the US and Enron, for just a few.  As far as being a 'leader' is concerned, I'd prefer it if mine didn't openly admit "I don't really know a lot about the economy" as McCain has.  Obama isn't wishy-washy.  He's standing in the middle of the aisle and is moderate on a lot of issues, the way McCain used to be but not anymore.  The Republicans know they have a nut-job in McCain, which in the past wouldn't be a problem as evident by the fact that we've had one for the past 8 years, but now even they can't seem to muster up the energy to back this guy with their usual gusto.

I find it absolutely comical that someone can't change their mind once they've looked harder at an issue without being a flip-flopper and wishy-washy.  I'll take that over "stay the course even though that course is taking us right down the toilet" mentality of the current guy.  Yep, stay the course boys!  Brilliant.

Now I know you are smart, but you cannot be serious, can you?  Even the most close-minded high schooler knows Obama's Liberal voting record!  I as for the second part, your right, but you cant say its ok for Obama to change his mind while taking a "harder look" at the issues, and say McCain is wishy-washy.  Thats hipocrasy at its finest.  If this is the case, then why come down on McCain, because you know he changed his view after taking a "harder look" at the issues. 

This is why, in my opinion.  Let's take an example, since it's big news right now: Obama's position on Iraq.

He's stated his goal and intent to remove all troops by 16 months after he takes office.  This has been his position for a while.  He was recently asked to guarentee that all troops will be out in 16 months and he didn't.  People jumped on the flip-flop bandwagon.  Obama then scheduled another press conference explaining that he still is completely committed to withdrawing in 16 months, however if unforseen situations arose he would not blindy stick to old goals.  That's common sense.  That's what a leader is supposed to do: set goals and strive to make them, but if they prove to be unatainable or unforseen situations arise, you adjust.

With McCain I still don't know a thing about him.  I watch the news all the time.  I see Obama talking about his stances, policies.  I see right wing nut jobs talking about Obama being a flipflopper, Muslim, anti-patriot, etc, etc.  And I see McCain talk about why he disagrees with Obama and why he's a good candidate (read experience) but I still have no idea what McCain is going to do.  That would be nice to know.

University of Michigan - Class of 2009
It's Great to be a Michigan Wolverine

ORIGINAL: The_Michigan_Man

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: mgobob

After watching world news tonight and Glen Beck the other night, all they seem to be bringing up is Obama and his flip flopping, he is now changing positions to get the far right voters. As I said before this guy scares me, he is to wishy-washy to be any kind of a leader.

Yep, standard operating procedure for the Republicans.  Dems are too wishy-washy and they're flip-floppers.  Nice try.  Now, spend some time and do some homework checking McCain's flip-flops.  This guy is all over the map and has changed his views on topics 3 times, sometimes more.  See: Drilling in the US and Enron, for just a few.  As far as being a 'leader' is concerned, I'd prefer it if mine didn't openly admit "I don't really know a lot about the economy" as McCain has.  Obama isn't wishy-washy.  He's standing in the middle of the aisle and is moderate on a lot of issues, the way McCain used to be but not anymore.  The Republicans know they have a nut-job in McCain, which in the past wouldn't be a problem as evident by the fact that we've had one for the past 8 years, but now even they can't seem to muster up the energy to back this guy with their usual gusto.

I find it absolutely comical that someone can't change their mind once they've looked harder at an issue without being a flip-flopper and wishy-washy.  I'll take that over "stay the course even though that course is taking us right down the toilet" mentality of the current guy.  Yep, stay the course boys!  Brilliant.

Now I know you are smart, but you cannot be serious, can you?  Even the most close-minded high schooler knows Obama's Liberal voting record!  I as for the second part, your right, but you cant say its ok for Obama to change his mind while taking a "harder look" at the issues, and say McCain is wishy-washy.  Thats hipocrasy at its finest.  If this is the case, then why come down on McCain, because you know he changed his view after taking a "harder look" at the issues. 

 
I'm certain even the most "close-minded high schooler" knows Obama's liberal voting record, and I'm also certain you're part of that group.  Unfortunately, the question was what Obama is doing right now to get votes, not what his past record is, hence the question of flip-flop.
 
I also never said it was just ok for Obama to change his mind.  I believe I said "someone".  That would include both Republicans and Democrats.  And thanks for proving the hypocrisy point I was trying to make.  But let's take wishy-washy out of this because, well, it's just too wishy-washy and doesn't always apply.  Here, I'll give you an example: When McCain was a leader and advocate to close the Enron Loophole but has since decided not to and has all but forgotten it, was that due to being wishy-washy, taking a 'harder look at the issues', or the fact that he has Phil Gramm as his economic advisor?  (Hint: It isn't the first 2 choices.)  See that?  McCain isn't always wishy-washy. 

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

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ORIGINAL: The_Michigan_Man

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: mgobob

After watching world news tonight and Glen Beck the other night, all they seem to be bringing up is Obama and his flip flopping, he is now changing positions to get the far right voters. As I said before this guy scares me, he is to wishy-washy to be any kind of a leader.

Yep, standard operating procedure for the Republicans.  Dems are too wishy-washy and they're flip-floppers.  Nice try.  Now, spend some time and do some homework checking McCain's flip-flops.  This guy is all over the map and has changed his views on topics 3 times, sometimes more.  See: Drilling in the US and Enron, for just a few.  As far as being a 'leader' is concerned, I'd prefer it if mine didn't openly admit "I don't really know a lot about the economy" as McCain has.  Obama isn't wishy-washy.  He's standing in the middle of the aisle and is moderate on a lot of issues, the way McCain used to be but not anymore.  The Republicans know they have a nut-job in McCain, which in the past wouldn't be a problem as evident by the fact that we've had one for the past 8 years, but now even they can't seem to muster up the energy to back this guy with their usual gusto.

I find it absolutely comical that someone can't change their mind once they've looked harder at an issue without being a flip-flopper and wishy-washy.  I'll take that over "stay the course even though that course is taking us right down the toilet" mentality of the current guy.  Yep, stay the course boys!  Brilliant.

Now I know you are smart, but you cannot be serious, can you?  Even the most close-minded high schooler knows Obama's Liberal voting record!  I as for the second part, your right, but you cant say its ok for Obama to change his mind while taking a "harder look" at the issues, and say McCain is wishy-washy.  Thats hipocrasy at its finest.  If this is the case, then why come down on McCain, because you know he changed his view after taking a "harder look" at the issues. 

I'm certain even the most "close-minded high schooler" knows Obama's liberal voting record, and I'm also certain you're part of that group.  Unfortunately, the question was what Obama is doing right now to get votes, not what his past record is, hence the question of flip-flop.

I also never said it was just ok for Obama to change his mind.  I believe I said "someone".  That would include both Republicans and Democrats.  And thanks for proving the hypocrisy point I was trying to make.  But let's take wishy-washy out of this because, well, it's just too wishy-washy and doesn't always apply.  Here, I'll give you an example: When McCain was a leader and advocate to close the Enron Loophole but has since decided not to and has all but forgotten it, was that due to being wishy-washy, taking a 'harder look at the issues', or the fact that he has Phil Gramm as his economic advisor?  (Hint: It isn't the first 2 choices.)  See that?  McCain isn't always wishy-washy. 

Thanks for the outright slam against my intelect. It shows how "close minded" YOU truely are.  Please, do not put anyone down on these forums just because someone rebutes your thinking, or your posts.  It shows ignorance on your part, my friend.


And MY point was, if you read it, that if you call one canidate "wishy-washy" then you must call the other.  I never said one wasnt to the other.  Simply making a statement that many on here, as well as the media, call what Obama is doing a "reforming" of what he had previously said.  And though I DO AGREE WITH YOU THATS NOT A BAD IDEA(Imagine that, I agree with you on something! ) PEOPLE IN GENERAL (Not you, notice the NOT part) call Obama's "reforming" a great tool, something a president should do in his policies!  But if John McCain does it, its called "flip-flopping,""Wishy-washy."  I just dont like the double standard here, thats what I am trying to point out.

Sgt. Jon C. Rocha/ USMC

Apples and Oranges.

Obama never changes his stance.  You can't "flip-flop" without changing a stance.  Refining policies and procedures is far from changing stances.  Not saying that he hasn't changed in some things and not saying that McCain has.  But it is possible to distinguish between refining policies and outright changing them.

University of Michigan - Class of 2009
It's Great to be a Michigan Wolverine

ORIGINAL: The_Michigan_Man

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: The_Michigan_Man

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: mgobob

After watching world news tonight and Glen Beck the other night, all they seem to be bringing up is Obama and his flip flopping, he is now changing positions to get the far right voters. As I said before this guy scares me, he is to wishy-washy to be any kind of a leader.

Yep, standard operating procedure for the Republicans.  Dems are too wishy-washy and they're flip-floppers.  Nice try.  Now, spend some time and do some homework checking McCain's flip-flops.  This guy is all over the map and has changed his views on topics 3 times, sometimes more.  See: Drilling in the US and Enron, for just a few.  As far as being a 'leader' is concerned, I'd prefer it if mine didn't openly admit "I don't really know a lot about the economy" as McCain has.  Obama isn't wishy-washy.  He's standing in the middle of the aisle and is moderate on a lot of issues, the way McCain used to be but not anymore.  The Republicans know they have a nut-job in McCain, which in the past wouldn't be a problem as evident by the fact that we've had one for the past 8 years, but now even they can't seem to muster up the energy to back this guy with their usual gusto.

I find it absolutely comical that someone can't change their mind once they've looked harder at an issue without being a flip-flopper and wishy-washy.  I'll take that over "stay the course even though that course is taking us right down the toilet" mentality of the current guy.  Yep, stay the course boys!  Brilliant.

Now I know you are smart, but you cannot be serious, can you?  Even the most close-minded high schooler knows Obama's Liberal voting record!  I as for the second part, your right, but you cant say its ok for Obama to change his mind while taking a "harder look" at the issues, and say McCain is wishy-washy.  Thats hipocrasy at its finest.  If this is the case, then why come down on McCain, because you know he changed his view after taking a "harder look" at the issues. 

I'm certain even the most "close-minded high schooler" knows Obama's liberal voting record, and I'm also certain you're part of that group.  Unfortunately, the question was what Obama is doing right now to get votes, not what his past record is, hence the question of flip-flop.

I also never said it was just ok for Obama to change his mind.  I believe I said "someone".  That would include both Republicans and Democrats.  And thanks for proving the hypocrisy point I was trying to make.  But let's take wishy-washy out of this because, well, it's just too wishy-washy and doesn't always apply.  Here, I'll give you an example: When McCain was a leader and advocate to close the Enron Loophole but has since decided not to and has all but forgotten it, was that due to being wishy-washy, taking a 'harder look at the issues', or the fact that he has Phil Gramm as his economic advisor?  (Hint: It isn't the first 2 choices.)  See that?  McCain isn't always wishy-washy. 

Thanks for the outright slam against my intelect. It shows how "close minded" YOU truely are.  Please, do not put anyone down on these forums just because someone rebutes your thinking, or your posts.  It shows ignorance on your part, my friend.


And MY point was, if you read it, that if you call one canidate "wishy-washy" then you must call the other.  I never said one wasnt to the other.  Simply making a statement that many on here, as well as the media, call what Obama is doing a "reforming" of what he had previously said.  And though I DO AGREE WITH YOU THATS NOT A BAD IDEA(Imagine that, I agree with you on something! ) PEOPLE IN GENERAL (Not you, notice the NOT part) call Obama's "reforming" a great tool, something a president should do in his policies!  But if John McCain does it, its called "flip-flopping,""Wishy-washy."  I just dont like the double standard here, thats what I am trying to point out.

Sgt. Jon C. Rocha/ USMC

 
Actually, I was referring to the fact that you would be part of the group that knows Obama's voting record, not a "high schooler".  That was your word, not mine.  However, your post was completely condescending to begin with-expect to get some in return.    

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

Here is a real good article in the Freep today from a very smart young women.
 
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080707/OPINION02/807070307/1068/opinion

ORIGINAL: mgobob

Here is a real good article in the Freep today from a very smart young women.

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080707/OPINION02/807070307/1068/opinion

 
Yes, very smart.  She's voting for McCain because her friends and family are voting for Obama.  I was going to try and find the logic in this but then I remembered: she's a child.  And hey, they're cute at that age aren 't they?

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

The stupid thing about that article is the last line.  She contradicts her whole argument with it.

University of Michigan - Class of 2009
It's Great to be a Michigan Wolverine

Yeah, smart's not the word I would have used, but whatever.  I don't think that changing too drastically from the Bush administration is a large concern, nor something that the rest of the world will get upset with us for.  And universal health care hurting access to doctors is not a problem in many countries, so there goes that argument (not to mention the author seems to have little understanding of how the current insurance system works or is opposed to it because it makes health care too accessible).

Anyone who thinks learning about the candidates is ironic isn't exactly someone whose opinion I take too seriously.  It really seems like her biggest problem with Obama is that he speaks too well.  Yeah, picking the one who couldn't speak as well has worked so well thus far. . . .

It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!

 
Sums up my feelings pretty well right now  

Phil Callihan
Editor-in-Chief
UMGoBlue.COM

 

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: Idiot Quote of the Century





Brilliant

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama

Sorry...don't really get why this is so terrible. There's no doubting that we, the greatest nation in the history of the world, needs some changing.

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: mgobob

Here is a real good article in the Freep today from a very smart young women.

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080707/OPINION02/807070307/1068/opinion

Yes, very smart.  She's voting for McCain because her friends and family are voting for Obama.  I was going to try and find the logic in this but then I remembered: she's a child.  And hey, they're cute at that age aren 't they?

Well, considering most people my age are supporting/voting for Obama, what does that say about him? I am an Obama supporter as well, but I don't think you can just discount someone's views because they are a 'child'.

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ORIGINAL: mgobob

Here is a real good article in the Freep today from a very smart young women.

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080707/OPINION02/807070307/1068/opinion

Yes, very smart.  She's voting for McCain because her friends and family are voting for Obama.  I was going to try and find the logic in this but then I remembered: she's a child.  And hey, they're cute at that age aren 't they?

Well, considering most people my age are supporting/voting for Obama, what does that say about him? I am an Obama supporter as well, but I don't think you can just discount someone's views because they are a 'child'.

 
You're right.  Let me re-state that as this is a bit of a sweeping generalization.  She's acting like a child.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

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DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!! he has claimed to visit 57 states and has 1 more to go


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

on the darkest of days the sun still shines. 

Section, I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic...

Isn't this thing really Obama's to lose at this point?  McCain would have been fine 8 years ago, but now?  Please.  It will be interesting to hear the debates, because McCain is really going to make Obama actually say something other than "yes we can" and "Be the Change" (maybe that last one was Ghandi...). 

I am one of those odd voters who are fiscally/economically conservative but socailly liberal.  We'll see where things shake out after the debates...

GO BLUE

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I am one of those odd voters who are fiscally/economically conservative but socailly liberal. 

You aren't the only one.

   Free TK   

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ORIGINAL: wolverines1again

I am one of those odd voters who are fiscally/economically conservative but socailly liberal. 

You aren't the only one.

Yeah, I think there are more of us than you think

To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE
 
you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats
 
And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?

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To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE

you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats

And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?

Completely disagree.  It is your duty as an american to take a good hard look at ALL candidates, decide which one will best serve the country, and vote for that person.  If you think McCain has everything but just one or two things right, then vote for him.  And vice versa. 

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It will be interesting to hear the debates, because McCain is really going to make Obama actually say something other than "yes we can" and "Be the Change" (maybe that last one was Ghandi...). 

 
Obama actually has a lot of substance to what he says but when he has such soaring rhetoric that goes along with it and gets most of the press, it's been easy strategy for Clinton and McCain to try to claim he doesn't have anything else.

It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!

Maize927


To all the lesser of 2 evils voters........DONT VOTE

you believe both are evil then why vote for any of them, or there are other choices such as Bob Bahr for you republicans and Nader for you democrats

And from what measure do you decide a persons evilness? Did they post their results from the "How evil are you survey" on myspace?

I'm sorry, but you may not like the side McCain is on, but to call a guy who not only served our military and went through the torture he went through, evil is pretty awful. Now you may not necessarily literally mean evil..I hope.

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. ----Aristotle

Umm..'the lesser of 2 evils' is an idiom, not a literal statement.  I don't think anyone is calling McCain (or Obama) evil.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

Subject: Obama for President?
> After months of searching the entire United States for a candidate for President
> and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, hours upon hours of debate, a very
> expensive National Convention, the Democratic  Party presented us with the very
> best candidate they could find, and listed below are his qualifications.
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> 2008 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
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> QUALIFICATIONS REVIEW        Congress                      Millitary
>           >                                     143 days                          0
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End of Review
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> Vote with your brain and not with your emotions!

mgobob


Subject: Obama for President?
> After months of searching the entire United States for a candidate for President
> and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, hours upon hours of debate, a very
> expensive National Convention, the Democratic  Party presented us with the very
> best candidate they could find, and listed below are his qualifications.
> 
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> 2008 DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
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> QUALIFICATIONS REVIEW        Congress                      Millitary
>           >                                     143 days                          0
>

End of Review
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> Vote with your brain and not with your emotions!

Which is exactly why I would vote for him, because 'qualifications' have been so helpful to us.  I mean, look at our guy now.  He was a governor so that's good.  He ran a baseball team into the ground as well as Arbusto (perfect name) Energy, Spectrum 7, and Harken Energy.  Ok, so he couldn't run a company.  Doesn't mean he can't run a country does it? Besides, he was the head cheerleader at Phillips Academy.  That has to count for something.  Yeah, ok.  So he scored the lowest possible grade on the pilot's acceptance exam for the Texas Air National Guard and had a few problems with drunk driving and cocaine.  So what?  He's more than qualified to run this country.  He must be-he got "voted" in twice.  Ok, so he ran this country into the ditch just like everything else he's touched.  Give the guy a break.

McCain has been around a long time.  Possibly longer than dirt itself.  Not sure if he'll make it 4 years but replacements are easy to find.  During his hundred years in the 'biz', he's had plenty of time to develop strong ties to The Secret Handshake Club, special interest groups, dirty deeds done dirt cheap, back door deals, and all those other "qualifications" that are necessary to run a country...further into the weeds.  He's even managed to befriend the Democratic party and ride the fence to bag some easy votes by ripping his President.  (That same president that now has imprints of McCain's lips on his backside.)  Yep, that's my guy.  And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 


Why does he have to chose a platform?  Is that a precursor to your vote?  Or does this simply mean the man that reaches across the isle is a bad bad man?  I have not seen Obama do it yet!

The_Michigan_Man


And once he decides on a platform and figures out what he wants to be when he grows up, I'll consider voting for him. 


Why does he have to chose a platform?  Is that a precursor to your vote?  Or does this simply mean the man that reaches across the isle is a bad bad man?  I have not seen Obama do it yet!

Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief or stance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know how Bush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
  When McCain publicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get a bit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn't know.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs.  But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok, I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief orstance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know howBush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
  When McCainpublicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get abit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn'tknow.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs. But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok,I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.

Well, with answers like this I guess you really didnt understand my statement.  I simply asked if your precursor was that he must DECLARE one side or the other.  And whats so wrong with being truthful?  If you really dont know what to do about the economy, then say it!  Dont blow smoke up everyone's hole, only to screw it up and say "my bad."  No one person, no matter HOW great Obama looks to you (yes, you can tell thats where your at.  If I am wrong, then you truly must be lost at this point) NO one knows everything there is to know about running a country.  Thats why you appoint heads of state, departments and so on, to help you run the country.  No president has EVER done it completely on his own.  So, is he wrong to be honest?  According to you, yes, we cant have someone who is honest.  Sad state of affairs.

The_Michigan_Man


Yes, a precursor to my vote is understanding a candidates belief orstance on certain issues.  With responses like this, I now know howBush got in so thank you for clearing that up.
When McCainpublicly says, "I have no idea what to do about the economy" I get abit nervous.  Nobody knows what his position is because he doesn'tknow.  If he were a Dem, he'd be called a flip-flopper by the Repubs. But since hes' a 'pub, we now call it "reaching across the aisle".  Ok,I get it.  You guys are pretty slick.

Well, with answers like this I guess you really didnt understand my statement.  I simply asked if your precursor was that he must DECLARE one side or the other.  And whats so wrong with being truthful?  If you really dont know what to do about the economy, then say it!  Dont blow smoke up everyone's hole, only to screw it up and say "my bad."  No one person, no matter HOW great Obama looks to you (yes, you can tell thats where your at.  If I am wrong, then you truly must be lost at this point) NO one knows everything there is to know about running a country.  Thats why you appoint heads of state, departments and so on, to help you run the country.  No president has EVER done it completely on his own.  So, is he wrong to be honest?  According to you, yes, we cant have someone who is honest.  Sad state of affairs.

You're dead-on.  I didn't understand your original statement, nor do I understand this one.  Declare one side or the other??  Just to make sure I understand, are you saying McCain doesn't have to declare a position on the issues that voters care about i.e the war, oil, the economy, education, health care, taxes, etc etc?  Sooo...we just go ahead and vote for him and he can tell us later?  Is this what you're saying?  Please clarify.
I'm not sure how honesty came into this but I do know this: If Obama had said 'I have no clue what to do in Iraq" the Republican machine would have gone into high gear and been all over that one.  Please, get real.  Not sure where I said the guy has to know everything and do it on his own as it's pretty obvious nobody has had any answers the past 8 years.  I actually agree with Bob's original post on qualifications...partially.  On one side we have a guy without much in the way of experience while the other guy is half-baked.  If this is the best this country can produce for candidates, we're all in trouble.  But then again, when hasn't that been the case?

PS: If you think anybody is honest in politics we have a whole different problem to discuss.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

I honestly think that plenty of people WERE honest when they decided to take upon themselves their position.  However, money and greed tend to push the honest man, into an un-honest man.  I dont believe that ANY one is completely honest.  I believe that one person can be LESS distrustful then the other.  What I was talking about in declaring one side.  Does one have to say "I AM REPUBLICAN, THUS I MUST OBIDE BY THE REPUB. STATE OF MIND!"
JM is a Republican, but has not followed all the time on the R party line.  And I guess my question is, because he does NOT tow the party line, and thus not clearly defined, does that make him less electable in your mind?

The_Michigan_Man


I honestly think that plenty of people WERE honest when they decided to take upon themselves their position.  However, money and greed tend to push the honest man, into an un-honest man.  I dont believe that ANY one is completely honest.  I believe that one person can be LESS distrustful then the other.  What I was talking about in declaring one side.  Does one have to say "I AM REPUBLICAN, THUS I MUST OBIDE BY THE REPUB. STATE OF MIND!"
JM is a Republican, but has not followed all the time on the R party line.  And I guess my question is, because he does NOT tow the party line, and thus not clearly defined, does that make him less electable in your mind?

TK23Blue isn't talking about aligning with a party.  He's talking about making your stances (or in this case John McCain making his stances) clear, regardless of where they lie on the political party spectrum.

now it makes sense.  Thanks Tom!

> > Forget about McLain & Obama, I want this guy!
> >
> > I, BILL COSBY, HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
> >
> >
> > HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
> >
> > (1) Press 1 for English is immediately banned. English is
> > the official
> > language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
> >
> > (2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist
> > posture to
> > straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no
> > exports. We will use
> > the 'Walmart' policy,'If we ain't got it,
> > you don't need it.'
> >
> > (3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import
> > tax on it.
> >
> > (4) All retired military personnel will be required to man
> > one of our many
> > observation towers on the southern border. (six month
> > tour). They will be
> > under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
> >
> > (5) Social security will immediately return to its original
> > state. If you
> > didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out.
> > The president nor any
> > other politician will not be able to touch it.
> >
> > (6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the
> > end of the 40 hour
> > school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and
> > a passing grade.
> >
> >
> > (7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you
> > check positive
> > you're banned for life.
> >
> > (8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first
> > time you steal, you
> > lose your right hand. There are no more life sentences. If
> > convicted, you
> > will be put to death by the same method you chose for your
> > victim; gun,
> > knife, strangulation, etc.
> >
> > (9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to
> > eat. A bushel of
> > wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.
> >
> > (10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will
> > immediately cease,
> > and the saved money will pay off the national debt and
> > ultimately lower
> > taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask
> > the American people
> > if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen
> > can make the
> > decision whether it's a worthy cause.
> >
> > (11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at
> > school and every day
> > in Congress.
> >
> > (12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate
> > ceremonies,
> > sporting events, outings, etc.
> >
> > (13) And the most important: 'In God We Trust' will
> > forever be a tribute to
> > truth and freedom.
> >
> > Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me
> > will get you better
> > than what you have, and better than what you're gonna
> > get.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for listening, and remember to write in my name on
> > the ballot in
> > November.
> >
> >
> > God Bless America!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Bill Cosby 
> >