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ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Facts?  How many do you want?  Here, I'll let you do it and I'll even help you.  Go to Google and punch in 'Is nicotine more addicitive than heroin'.  You'll find 10,000 articles, from some pretty reasonable sources like, Johns-Hopkins, Georgetown University and the list is a mile long.  Do your own homework son-I'm tired.

Come on, you can do better than that.  A google of that term actually yielded 647,000 results, the first few pages of which trumpeted the claim uncritically at face value.  I did read some of Henningfield's study.  Unfortunately, he administered nicotine through an IV, which while it may prove the physiological effects of nicotine and even support the "addictive" claim is not really relevant to the smoking of cigarettes, at least not until packs of butts start coming with needles.  When I claim nicotine is not addictive for most, I obviously mean in the form of cigarettes or dip.  Most of the results were for anti-smoking websites, which are hardly objective.

Perhaps the study really proves what it sets out to prove and my issues are purely semantic, but it would make a lot more sense to me if Henningfield had administered each drug the way in which it is administered by the user.

Before you jump to any conclusions, I am far from an apologist for the tobacco industry.  I am just tired of seeing junk science used to support political agenda.    

 
Agree 100%.  Jeez, I think I need a smoke.

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!!  Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

 
So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it.  A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. ----Aristotle

People who don't smoke have to deal with the secondary causes of others smoking. If I get drunk and drive and kill someone, then oh well? When you are affecting someone that does not want to be affected, then it is not okay. And to say don't go if you don't like smoke is about as 3rd grade reply as possible. I guarantee that non-smokers make up more of the paying public than smokers, so they would lose money if we stopped going! Can I spit my tobacco on you when I need too?

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. ----Aristotle

ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

And to say don't go if you don't like smoke is about as 3rd grade reply as possible. I guarantee that non-smokers make up more of the paying public than smokers, so they would lose money if we stopped going! Can I spit my tobacco on you when I need too?

 
Im talking about bars not public places or restaurants  
 
Why is it a 3rd grade reply?
I dont like say chinese food... So I dont go to Magic Wok lol...  I shouldnt go to a smokey bar, cause I dont like smoke, right? 
Now If YOU open a place where you aloud people to spit tobacco on each other lol, Im not going to go there either..  Its freedom of choice...  
My point is that you shouldnt have any goverment come down on a privately owned place and make rules on them..  Like what ohowihate Ohio State said  "Another step in the direction of Socialism"  What should happen is someone should open a non-smoking bar get more people to go and make more money thats what we call Capitalism
 
 
 

  
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ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!!  Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it.  A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

 
You can't get cancer from chew?  You sure about that?

"I have marked down losses for Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State. And then there could be others such as Illinois".-BigHouseFootball March 08

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RIP Bo. You were an amazing man; it is because of you, I am the Michigan fan I am today.

My Bad.

Regarding our military: "If you can't stand behind them, stand in front of them."
RIP Bo. You were an amazing man; it is because of you, I am the Michigan fan I am today.

ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

ORIGINAL: goblueinTexas

ORIGINAL: Harbaugh04

Im not a smoker and I think its the dumbest thing ever lol!!!!  Nothing like the goverment coming in and telling private business how they should run.. If its a restaurant like a Applebbess where kids are at, I understand..
But not a 21 and over bar..If a bar is to smoking for you, you dont have to go in, go find a non smoking bar.. It should be up to the person who owns the bar if he wants it smoke free or not....

So I am 28, and I like to go to a bar and have some beers with friends and watch a game, thus giving up my right to stay cancer free by not inhaling someone elses smoke? Not to mention the raunchy smell that my clothes carry. I chew tobacco, so the cancer comment doesn't apply to me, but it does to everyone else who is around it. I don't mind having areas outside designated for smokers, but not all of us want to smell it or get the side effects from it.  A lot of places in the Dallas area have banned it, and the places that still allow it, i have stopped going to.

You can't get cancer from chew?  You sure about that?

 
News to this guy:

Regarding our military: "If you can't stand behind them, stand in front of them."
RIP Bo. You were an amazing man; it is because of you, I am the Michigan fan I am today.

I believe goblueintexas was stating that not wanting to go to into a smokey bar to avoid cancer, doesn't apply to him, since he already dips which puts him in danger of getting mouth cancer.
Not speaking for goblueintexas, that is just how I read it.

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