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Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:48 AM
http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080825/UPDATES01/80825018


Earth to Michigan coach: OSU is your No. 1 rivalBY JON SPENCER • News Journal • August 25, 2008
    Look who’s wearing the lamp shade now.

    It was bad enough that disgraced Michigan football coach Gary Moeller — last seen in Ann Arbor getting pink-slipped after drunk and disorderly conduct — refused to acknowledge Ohio State as a bigger rival than Michigan State.

    Worse, Rich Rodriquez, entrusted with making the Wolverines more than a chew toy for the Buckeyes, is now spouting the same sacrilege, insisting the circle around OSU on the calendar isn’t any bigger than the one around Notre Dame or Michigan State.

    “We’re unique for our fans in that we have three huge rivalries,” Rodriguez said at Big Ten Media Days in Chicago this summer. “To me, we even take it a step further. I always say your rivalries are your league games, because that’s your goal every year — to win a conference championship.

    “The fact that Michigan State and Penn State are just up the road adds to the intensity a little bit. I don’t have a countdown to a particular game except the next one.”

    Jim Tressel started counting down the days, hours, minutes and seconds to the Michigan game on the January afternoon he was hired as Ohio State’s coach in 2001. Given his 6-1 record against the Maize and Blue, Rich Rod might want to find out where Tressel purchases his watches and clocks.

    While he’s at it, there was a poll by ESPN in 2000 he should research. It ranked Ohio State-Michigan as the greatest rivalry in sports.

    Bigger than Yankees-Red Sox.

    Bigger than Ali-Frazier.

    Bigger than Lakers-Celtics.

    Bigger than Army-Navy.

    Yes, to be parochial about it, even bigger than Browns-Steelers.

    It’s too late for Moeller to buy a clue. For him to downplay the OSU-Michigan rivalry was especially unforgivable since he had seen the game from both sides as a Michigan coach and OSU captain. Maybe because he was 3-1-1 against Ohio State, with wins of 31-3 and 28-0 (thanks, Coop), he didn’t see it as that big a deal.

    But what’s Rich Rod’s excuse? Is he waiting until he has the manpower to contend with Ohio State before he builds up the rivalry? Is he afraid of morphing into predecessor Lloyd Carr, who embraced the rivalry right up until Tressel’s grip squeezed the remaining breaths from his career? Is he playing it down for fear someone will check his track record in rivalries? (He was only 4-3 against Pitt as head coach at West Virginia, including a gag job last season with a trip to the national championship at stake.)

    Or is he just ignorant?

    “We have so much on our plates as coaches and players, we have to focus on getting Michigan better,” Rodriguez said. “That’s just me. That’s been my philosophy ever since I’ve been a head coach. Focus on ourselves. We understand the rivalries, but winning a (Big Ten) championship is our first goal … and then you take it from there.”

    Beating Ohio State should have vaulted to No. 1 on Rich Rod’s to-do list, if only because the Buckeyes are already winning at his expense. He listened as disgruntled offensive lineman Justin Boren ripped his staff’s lack of “family values” and then watched as Boren transferred to Ohio State. But that loss of a returning starter paled to losing the nation’s No. 1 recruit, quarterback Terrelle Pryor, to the Buckeyes.

    Rodriguez had called Pryor to tell him he was taking the Michigan job before he told his old team. So losing him to his arch-rival — err, one of the 12 teams on Michigan’s schedule — had to be devastating to him, not to mention costly to Michigan, whose transition from a pro-style offense to Rodriguez’s vaunted spread option attack would have taken a quantum leap with Pryor at the controls.

    How costly? The $4 million Rich Rod and Michigan had to pay West Virginia to settle a lawsuit over his buyout looks like chump change by comparison.

    “There has been a little bit of drama going on,” he admitted.

    Too much for Rodriguez to wrap his mind around the fact that the last six Michigan coaches, going back 70 years, won in their first try against Ohio State.
    “I can see people bringing that up, especially since this is my first one,” he said. “But did you see ‘The Lion King?’ A monkey hits a lion over the head and the lion says, ‘What did you do that for?’ And the monkey says, ‘It doesn’t matter. It’s in the past.’
    “The past doesn’t matter. What happened 20 years ago isn’t going to get a first down today.”

    Maybe Rich Rod’s problem is that he needs to upgrade his DVD collection. Anybody got the last 104 years of Ohio State-Michigan on tape?
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    What an idiot.  Can someone please send this to RichRod?

    Is it just me or is this whole "not getting the rivalry" spin just made up by Ohio State fans to make them feel better about the Cooper years and why those teams didn't win against Michigan.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:11 AM
    Wouldn't you think they should be writing about how they are going to beat USC right now?  I'm good with this. 
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:39 AM
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    What an idiot.  Can someone please send this to RichRod?

    Is it just me or is this whole "not getting the rivalry" spin just made up by Ohio State fans to make them feel better about the Cooper years and why those teams didn't win against Michigan.

    Man, I could barely get through that garbage that is supposed to pass for journalism?!  I'm really getting sick of hearing bucknuts spouting off about how Rodriguez isn't embracing the rivalry.  They know this how???  Because of a few quotes at the Big Ten Media day???  Because he doesn't obsessively countdown the days to the second like the vest???

    Like you said BlueSteel, they do this to make them feel better about the beat-down they faced during the Cooper years.  I just wish they would stop with the Cooper/Rodriguez comparisons until we acutally see a game.  I really don't see any basis for their comparisons.

    And exactly what is Rodriguez supposed to do?  He's had to hit the floor running ever since he arrived at Michigan.  He had to put the finsishing touches on what turned out being a pretty damn good recruiting class.   He had to implement a new system and try to limit the damage of defectors to a minimum.  All while dealing with a lawsuit that got a bit out of hand and militant WVU fans lashing out with death threats on his family???  It's not like the guy hasn't had a lot on his plate?!

    So, forgive me if I could give a rat's ass about what bucknuts think about Michigan's new coach and whether or not he's embracing the rivalry with OSU as much as they would like.  Maybe he should start wearing one of those clocks like Flavor Flave counting down the days, hours, minutes and seconds to the OSU game.  Would that be enough???
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:09 AM
    You know the ol' saying...

    Michigan fans care about one thing: Michigan Football
    Ohio State fans also care about one thing: Michigan Football

    You know why it's so funny?  Because it's true.  The best part is the false bravado facade that some buckeye fans still use to cover their inferiority complex.  They're 6-1 in the last 7 and yet many still haven't been able to shed the attitude that they cultivated over 2-10-1.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:16 AM
    A reporter using RRod's own words to proclaim the OSU game is no bigger than ND or MSU and this is supposed to be bulletin board material for Michigan? Explain that logic for me.

    And while you may not like the analogy to Cooper, explain how him proclaiming OSU/UM as just another game was bulletin board for UM wherase RRod stating the same thing is also bulletin board material for Michigan.

    And just how big is the bulletin board in the UM locker room? Seems like every day a story from one source or another has been tagged as bulletin board material and I don't see how the team has room left for any more.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:24 AM
    Oh B85 you know better.  This "article" is pure garbage and dripping with the self-satisfaction that short term success brings certain people. 

    Rodriguez called the rivalry "the biggest in all of sports" during his Sunday Conversation interview...  this is all about Buckeye fans and supporters feeling slighted because Rodriguez hasn't sat around and acted like it's the only game that matters since he took the post.

    Frankly I'm surprised at your reaction, I would've throught you'd be able to see through some of this stuff by now...   The tackling dummies at practice have the OSU logo on them... believe me, the guy understands it's a big game.  Just because he doesn't say it every second doesn't mean your fan base needs to get its delicate sensibilities all twisted up in a bunch.

    I think perhaps the best thing about this is how it rips on Moeller and the has to say... well, yes, he did go 3-1-1 but errrrrrrrr he was still stupid.... 
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:31 AM
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    A reporter using RRod's own words to proclaim the OSU game is no bigger than ND or MSU and this is supposed to be bulletin board material for Michigan? Explain that logic for me.


    The fact that the "reporter" (and I use that word loosely) wrote an entire article based on one or two sentences that RichRod made over a month ago.  The fact that the reporter failed to do any research into finding out that RichRod does know the importance of The Game.  Just the other night on ESPN, RichRod said something like it's the biggest rivalry in all of sports.  But the "reporter" questions if he is "just ignorant"?

    Buckeye85

    And while you may not like the analogy to Cooper, explain how him proclaiming OSU/UM as just another game was bulletin board for UM wherase RRod stating the same thing is also bulletin board material for Michigan.


    RichRod didn't say that the OSU/UM game is "just another game".  That would be like putting it on the same level as the Northwestern or Indiana game.  He said that "we have three huge rivalries".  And from that, OSU fans want to say that he doesn't get the rivalry or that it's "just another game".  I believe that he clarified this the other night on ESPN.


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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:57 PM
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    Oh B85 you know better.  This "article" is pure garbage and dripping with the self-satisfaction that short term success brings certain people. 

    Rodriguez called the rivalry "the biggest in all of sports" during his Sunday Conversation interview...  this is all about Buckeye fans and supporters feeling slighted because Rodriguez hasn't sat around and acted like it's the only game that matters since he took the post.

    Frankly I'm surprised at your reaction, I would've throught you'd be able to see through some of this stuff by now...   The tackling dummies at practice have the OSU logo on them... believe me, the guy understands it's a big game.  Just because he doesn't say it every second doesn't mean your fan base needs to get its delicate sensibilities all twisted up in a bunch.

    I think perhaps the best thing about this is how it rips on Moeller and the has to say... well, yes, he did go 3-1-1 but errrrrrrrr he was still stupid.... 


    No, you mistake my post as agreement with the premise of the article. I was only questioning how this would really be bulletin board material.
    I am on record admitting that RRod quite obviously understands the nature of this rivalry. He just approaches differently.
    As did Cooper. His "just another game" comment was a weak attempt to calm his team down after years of choking because he had them wound up tighter than a drum. But he obviously knew the significance of the game, even in years when we were not in the running for the MNC.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:24 PM
    After rereading it, I still dont know what RR said wrong, he couldnt of said it better.. News to buckeye fans, we at Michigan have other rivals lol

    The buckeyes get to worry about just beating Michigan..

    Michigan has to worry about beating ND, MSU and OSU.. Thats what comes when your  the Leaders and the Best!!!!
    RR could go 8-2 vs OSU but only 4-6 vs MSU.. Then people would say " he didnt understand the " in state rivalry" You just can win 

    Oh, and depending on where your from, the Mich vs MSU game is bigger then the Mich vs OSU game.. 
     
      
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:06 PM
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    Oh, and depending on where your from, the Mich vs MSU game is bigger then the Mich vs OSU game.. 



    I'm not one to be a judge and say so and so person isn't a (big) UM fan if 'x' requirement isn't filled, but there is NO way a UM fan can say that MSU is a bigger rivalry than OSU.  Heck, I think ND is a slightly bigger rivalry than MSU.  to put it simply, we've DOMINATED MSU over the years.  played them exactly 100 times, and won 67, equaled to, you guessed it, 67%.  the osu game is bigger in terms of stakes and conference and national championship implications


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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:07 PM
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    After rereading it, I still dont know what RR said wrong, he couldnt of said it better.. News to buckeye fans, we at Michigan have other rivals lol

    The buckeyes get to worry about just beating Michigan..

    Michigan has to worry about beating ND, MSU and OSU.. Thats what comes when your  the Leaders and the Best!!!!
    RR could go 8-2 vs OSU but only 4-6 vs MSU.. Then people would say " he didnt understand the " in state rivalry" You just can win 

    Oh, and depending on where your from, the Mich vs MSU game is bigger then the Mich vs OSU game.. 



    While I agree that UM has more than one rivalry...I would argue against the above statement until I'm blue in the face.  Until MSU is even remotely close to the same level as UM, that game will NEVER be bigger than the UM/osu game.  Period.  No disrespect.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:11 PM
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    What an idiot.  Can someone please send this to RichRod?

    Is it just me or is this whole "not getting the rivalry" spin just made up by Ohio State fans to make them feel better about the Cooper years and why those teams didn't win against Michigan.
    of course it is! OSU fans know that the tide is changing--and they just spew crap like that artical to make themselves feel better.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:36 PM
    Fact is that Michigan does have more than one rival.  OSU tries to build up in state rivals with all the MAC schools and the Youngstown States but it just never develops.  Soon we will move on to how difficult the OSU schedule is this year because they play USC.  Bottom line is that Michigan has a more difficult schedule year in and year out and OSU will always be jealous because teams are always more jacked to play Michigan than they are to play Ohio State.  That is part of a rivalry.
    This article is a great example of why OSU's fan base is widely viewed as the most obnoxious in all of sports.  We are just fortunate as Michigan fans that OSU plays Michigan every year because if not, we would have no idea what college football is all about.  If you don't believe me, ask a buckeye fan, he will tell you so.
    Article fails to mention that Pryor was already leaning toward OSU before RR came to Michigan.  That is not a recruit he lost at Michigan.
    Also, it fails to note that his record against rival Pitt (4-3) is a .571 winning percentage.  Tressels record in BCS title games with his players is 0-2.  That is a .000 winning percentage.  Oh yes, before I am corrected, he is 1-2 if you allow him to use the players that Cooper recruited for him.  That is a .333 winning percentage which is still worse than RR's "rivalry game" record.

    Those BCS game records include two "gag jobs" when the titles were at stake.
     
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:21 PM
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    After rereading it, I still dont know what RR said wrong, he couldnt of said it better.. News to buckeye fans, we at Michigan have other rivals lol

    The buckeyes get to worry about just beating Michigan..

    Michigan has to worry about beating ND, MSU and OSU.. Thats what comes when your  the Leaders and the Best!!!!
    RR could go 8-2 vs OSU but only 4-6 vs MSU.. Then people would say " he didnt understand the " in state rivalry" You just can win 

    Oh, and depending on where your from, the Mich vs MSU game is bigger then the Mich vs OSU game.. 



    I would argue against the above statement until I'm blue in the face.  Until MSU is even remotely close to the same level as UM, that game will NEVER be bigger than the UM/osu game.  Period.  No disrespect.


    Oh, I can dig it BigBlue, Im with you :) but I ran into fans up north that said Mich vs MSU gm is bigger to them.. I think their crazy!! Hell, we have fans here that wanted OSU to beat LSU in the NC last year!! Its a mad world lol!!
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:41 PM
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    A reporter using RRod's own words to proclaim the OSU game is no bigger than ND or MSU and this is supposed to be bulletin board material for Michigan? Explain that logic for me.

    And while you may not like the analogy to Cooper, explain how him proclaiming OSU/UM as just another game was bulletin board for UM wherase RRod stating the same thing is also bulletin board material for Michigan.

    And just how big is the bulletin board in the UM locker room? Seems like every day a story from one source or another has been tagged as bulletin board material and I don't see how the team has room left for any more.



    Read closer....



    “We’re unique for our fans in that we have three huge rivalries,”Rodriguez said at Big Ten Media Days in Chicago this summer. “To me, weeven take it a step further. I always say your rivalries are yourleague games, because that’s your goal every year — to win a conferencechampionship.

    “The fact that Michigan State and PennState are just up the road adds to the intensity a little bit. I don’thave a countdown to a particular game except the next one.”


    Nowhere does he say the ND and MSU are "no bigger" than OSU.  He says we have three huge rivalries and that he doesn't have a countdown to any particular game except the next one.  He doesn't say anything that lowers the importance of the third saturday in november.  With this team's inexperience it would be stupid to put any focus on anything other than Aug 30.  No game is a given, especially Utah, and to have anyone (players, fans, equip managers, coaches, ANYONE) thinking about OSU at this point is a disservice to the team.
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:38 PM
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    No game is a given, especially Utah, and to have anyone (players, fans, equip managers, coaches, ANYONE) thinking about OSU at this point is a disservice to the team.
    Well said Tom.  That goes along with one of my favorite parts from this piece of journalistic crap:


    Jon Spencer garbage

    Or is he just ignorant?

    “We have so much on our plates as coaches and players, we have to focus on getting Michigan better,” Rodriguez said. “That’s just me. That’s been my philosophy ever since I’ve been a head coach. Focus on ourselves. We understand the rivalries, but winning a (Big Ten) championship is our first goal … and then you take it from there.” 

    So, Mr. Spencer is trying to imply that Coach Rodriguez is acutally ignorant because his focus right now is on getting HIS team better???  Sorry, but I kind of like that fact that Rodriguez's top priorty right now is focusing on HIS team and not the vest's team...

    And to add to the fact that Michigan does indeed have 3 rivals instead of the luxury of having just one like OSU does, I don't think there is any team on OSU's schedule that has a countdown clock set for the date of their game with the Buckeyes.  Michigan, on the other hand not only has OSU with all of their countdown obsession, but MSU has now adopted the practice as well.  It must be a sweatervest thing... 

    Maybe this game with OU can develop into something of an instate rivalry for OSU.  We already know the two schools have been fighting over who the true state school of Ohio is.  If that doesn't work out, there's always Akron or YSU...  Also, I've heard the Ohio School for the deaf and blind is looking for a new in state rival.  They might actually put up a better game than what OSU will get from their current rotation of cupcake Ohio schools...

    I actually emailed the so-called writer of this article this morning calling him out on several of his failed points that he tried making.  What a surprise that I haven't received a response yet...
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:07 PM
    "It was bad enough that disgraced Michigan football coach Gary Moeller —last seen in Ann Arbor getting pink-slipped after drunk and disorderlyconduct — refused to acknowledge Ohio State as a bigger rival thanMichigan State."

    This sentence pretty much sums up the entire article: A writer has a deadline and has nothing to write about so he decides to take a few meaningless quotes and play to the local fanbase using smug language and irrelevant ad hominems.

    I'm sure I could go find a few quotes from Jim Tressel about how RR is a good guy and a good coach, etc., etc., etc. and then turn them into an article about how Tressel is underestimating RR and not taking him seriously and has become complacent because he is 6-1. 
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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:21 PM
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    You know the ol' saying...

    Michigan fans care about one thing: Michigan Football
    Ohio State fans also care about one thing: Michigan Football

    You know why it's so funny?  Because it's true.  The best part is the false bravado facade that some buckeye fans still use to cover their inferiority complex.  They're 6-1 in the last 7 and yet many still haven't been able to shed the attitude that they cultivated over 2-10-1.


    Ah hahaha! I have to remember that one!

    It's true though...they're like some creepy girl you dated that insists on stalking you!

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    Re:Nice bulletin board material - Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:32 PM
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    Oh B85 you know better.  This "article" is pure garbage and dripping with the self-satisfaction that short term success brings certain people. 

    Rodriguez called the rivalry "the biggest in all of sports" during his Sunday Conversation interview...  this is all about Buckeye fans and supporters feeling slighted because Rodriguez hasn't sat around and acted like it's the only game that matters since he took the post.

    Frankly I'm surprised at your reaction, I would've throught you'd be able to see through some of this stuff by now...   The tackling dummies at practice have the OSU logo on them... believe me, the guy understands it's a big game.  Just because he doesn't say it every second doesn't mean your fan base needs to get its delicate sensibilities all twisted up in a bunch.

    I think perhaps the best thing about this is how it rips on Moeller and the has to say... well, yes, he did go 3-1-1 but errrrrrrrr he was still stupid.... 


    No, you mistake my post as agreement with the premise of the article. I was only questioning how this would really be bulletin board material.
    I am on record admitting that RRod quite obviously understands the nature of this rivalry. He just approaches differently.
    As did Cooper. His "just another game" comment was a weak attempt to calm his team down after years of choking because he had them wound up tighter than a drum. But he obviously knew the significance of the game, even in years when we were not in the running for the MNC.


    This is definitely weak writing, let alone bulletin board material. It would be on my bulletin board for about as long as it would take for me to bank it off the board and into the trash can for three.
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