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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Monday, May 12, 2008 10:34 PM
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Monday, May 12, 2008 10:37 PM
One win away from the Stanley Cup Finals.  I'm so excited!  I haven't seen the Wings in the Cup finals since '98.  I was in basic training during the run in '02 so this is very cool for me. 
 
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:45 AM
Even though I thought that they did not play that well in the first period they still came out of it okay.  Then they basically took over the game in the third period.  One more to go!  Go Wings!
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:55 AM
Total domination.  The game went exactly as you would figure-Stars came out pumped up the first 10 minutes, running around and pressuring the Wings down low.  But, unfortunately for them, it was the usual menu of missed checks, missed open nets, and in the end, not a lot to show for it.  Dats and Zetts took over and now it's lights out for this series.  These 2 guys are the best players in the NHL by far (sorry, Crosby and Malkin have never seen their own end let alone have the ability to completely eliminate the oppponents best players), and have completely taken over.  Go to any other team and take away their leading goal scorer and see what you get.  The Wings minus Franzen?  They just go out and score more. 
 
I think this is the best Wings team I've seen in my lifetime, even better than the '97 team, if that's possible.  They're deeper and dominate in every statistical category that matters: Goals-against, powerplay, penalty kill, time of possession, shots on goal, hits, face-offs, goals-for and God knows what else.  This is fun stuff to watch!
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:18 PM
Both the Red Wings and Pens have 3-0 leads in their series.  Now, Pittsburgh's playoff record is being compared to the 1983 Edmonton Oilers.  That is saying quite a bit, but I don't think I believe it.  Talent has been diluted in the NHL and the league was just better then.  The Oilers took over after ending one of hockey's greatest dynasties with the NY Islanders.
 
Also, although the Wings didn't win in 1995, that might have been a more dominant Red Wings team than the other eras and teams mentioned.  Certainly, the Red Wings of the '90s (and '80s obviously) were much more physical than the current version.  Kind of like comparing the Bad Boy Pistons to the current Pistons.
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:52 AM
Yep, Pittsburgh is getting a lot of love right now for their record but I'm sorry, just not quite ready to jump on board.  I do know this: Ya gotta learn to lose before you can learn to win, just like Montreal in the 70's, Edmonton taking 2 cracks at the Islanders to beat them, and even the Wings.  They may be the team next year but I don't think they have it this year.  There is some team in red that may have something to say about it.  They've yet to be tested as NY and Philly didn't do anything against them but that'll change.  They're holding Philly to 16 shots a game so it's no wonder Fluery's GAA is so low.  The Wings will get 16 shots against him in the first period.  Throw in Homer and Franzen sitting on top of him (cuz hey, rubbin' is racin') and we'll see how he handles it. 
 
I can't get a handle on Pittsburgh as they look real good in their games so far, but I have no idea what NY or Philly has really brought to the table.  I have this sneaky suspicion that they're this year's Ottawa-look dominating all through the playoffs and then get torched in the finals.
 
This could be the earliest cup final in recent memory, providing both teams complete the sweep.  Would be nice to have this finished before the 4th of July for a change ;)
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:55 PM
I'll give it to the "texans" for showing up tonight, they definately look like another team, oh and it helps tp have the refs totally BLOW the Datsyuk goal, Homer was not in the crease. I'm sure the replay was not overhead for very long if at all, and I don't blame them 

Update, redemption....GOAL Zett/Datsyuk...I'm surprised the zebras didnt pull something out of their arse
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:31 PM
Tonight was an absolute joke, and I have NEVER been more enraged following a hockey game in my life.

Unbelievable. I don't give a damn that this series could and hopefully will end on Saturday, this is the angriest I've ever been after a hockey game. From the phantom no-goal to Dallas's first goal being allowed despite having a player two feet in the crease to Dallas being allowed to tackle Detroit players for the entire third period (although the late penalties AFTER Dallas got a 2 goal lead was a nice touch) and Morrow holding Brad Stuart's stick for about ten seconds in the 3rd period.

How convenient that all this happens with that slimy, scummy excuse of a commisioner in attendance.
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:08 AM
Well, that sucked.  The South Stars got away with one there.  Turco got back some of his form from last series.  At least we can close the series out at home.  I wish we coulda swept our way to the finals but such is not the case. 
 
On a side note:  I do believe I am the ONLY person in KY who not only watches hockey but who even knows what it is.
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:48 AM

ORIGINAL: EFWolverine

Tonight was an absolute joke, and I have NEVER been more enraged following a hockey game in my life.

Unbelievable. I don't give a damn that this series could and hopefully will end on Saturday, this is the angriest I've ever been after a hockey game. From the phantom no-goal to Dallas's first goal being allowed despite having a player two feet in the crease to Dallas being allowed to tackle Detroit players for the entire third period (although the late penalties AFTER Dallas got a 2 goal lead was a nice touch) and Morrow holding Brad Stuart's stick for about ten seconds in the 3rd period.

How convenient that all this happens with that slimy, scummy excuse of a commisioner in attendance.

 
I was also upset with the Stars first goal cause I think he was in the crease before the puck.  I was surprised the paper did not say anything about it.  But the Dallas News quoted the Star's player as saying the puck hit me.  Yeah while you were in the crease!  I did not see the Datsuk goal but heard it was a bad call.  Butt in the crease-geez don't make things up!
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:34 PM

ORIGINAL: EFWolverine

Tonight was an absolute joke, and I have NEVER been more enraged following a hockey game in my life.

Unbelievable. I don't give a damn that this series could and hopefully will end on Saturday, this is the angriest I've ever been after a hockey game. From the phantom no-goal to Dallas's first goal being allowed despite having a player two feet in the crease to Dallas being allowed to tackle Detroit players for the entire third period (although the late penalties AFTER Dallas got a 2 goal lead was a nice touch) and Morrow holding Brad Stuart's stick for about ten seconds in the 3rd period.

How convenient that all this happens with that slimy, scummy excuse of a commisioner in attendance.

 
Could not agree more.  That no goal cost us the game because you KNOW Dallas would have been completely deflated, knowing they played probably their best period of the series only to be down again.  And the ref's explanation to Babcock?  Homer's ass was in the crease!  That's not even part of the rule, nevermind the fact that he wasn't even close!  He just made up something on the spot.  Hell, even Barry "Anti-Anything Red Wings" Melrose said: 'I absolutely guarantee Detroit wins this game if that goal wasn't waved off'.  The penalties (or non-calls) were atrocious, especially (as usual) in the 3rd.  Bettman got exactly what he wanted and orderd up: another game that shouldn't be.  I hope Pittsburgh is working on their penalty kill right now.  Something tells me they're going to need it tonight.  What a crock this game was.  Dallas is going to have their asses handed to them on Saturday.  Not even the refs will be enough.
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:26 PM

I hope Pittsburgh is working on their penalty kill right now.  Something tells me they're going to need it tonight.  

 
No no no.  TK, you still don't seem to understand.  Sidney and the Pens don't need to work on their PK.  If anything they should be working on their PP.  They will sweep tonite because thats what 'the man' wants.  Detroits series might even go on longer if thats at they want, if they feel Sid needs more rest.
 
 
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:36 PM

Boy, if you guys are that mad - I would have been PISSED if I watched the whole thing. Went to a bar after our game (the one that sponsor's us) so only caught bits and pieces of the game as most of the tv's were on the CAVS/BOS game. I was only able to get them to put the hockey game on one tv and it was so far away I could hardly see it (and obviously couldn't hear any of it).
 
From what I've read so far, it seems to me the NHL didn't want the Wings to sweep the Stars and go the Cup finals winning 10 straight games. I just hope DET can keep it rolling at home on Saturday and finish them. I don't want to have to go back to DAL and risk a game 7 in DET after the PENS sweep the Flyers and are sitting at home resting and waiting....
 
 
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:14 PM

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Boy, if you guys are that mad - I would have been PISSED if I watched the whole thing. Went to a bar after our game (the one that sponsor's us) so only caught bits and pieces of the game as most of the tv's were on the CAVS/BOS game. I was only able to get them to put the hockey game on one tv and it was so far away I could hardly see it (and obviously couldn't hear any of it).
 
From what I've read so far, it seems to me the NHL didn't want the Wings to sweep the Stars and go the Cup finals winning 10 straight games. I just hope DET can keep it rolling at home on Saturday and finish them. I don't want to have to go back to DAL and risk a game 7 in DET after the PENS sweep the Flyers and are sitting at home resting and waiting....
 




In the long run I think last night's screwjob loss will help the Wings. The burden of a 10 game winning streak headed into the Finals could've gotten to them, but that's done with now. Hopefully the voodoo curse JLA has over Turco will be enough to overcome anymore shady officiating.
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 3:21 PM
I wasn't aware the NHL used the NBA-approach to its playoffs until last night... that was pathetic. The no-goal was horrendous, then allowing the Dallas goal where the guy's ENTIRE BODY was in the crease??  The whole game was called with a huge tilt towards Dallas, but those goal calls were blatant, and that's what's maddening.

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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:16 PM

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I wasn't aware the NHL used the NBA-approach to its playoffs until last night... that was pathetic. The no-goal was horrendous, then allowing the Dallas goal where the guy's ENTIRE BODY was in the crease??  The whole game was called with a huge tilt towards Dallas, but those goal calls were blatant, and that's what's maddening.

Here's hoping for another 8-2 job come Saturday.


WORD! Blatant about sums it up, I can't wait till Sat!

And how bout them Flyers waking up Too bad it took until the end tonight to see some fists fly ( I bet Cherry is so happy). I got to give it to Malone to scrap with Hatcher, he's one I would not pick a fight with. GO FLYERS!
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Friday, May 16, 2008 11:00 AM
The winning streak was fun and you have to lose sometime, but playing the Stars AND the refs is BS.  Dallas will get destroyed on Saturday, count on it.  Outside of that, the only other thing I want to see is Ott spittin' out some teeth after chewing on Holmstrom's stick.  He's got the biggest mouth in hockey with the possible exception of Sean Avery, so Homer's stick should fit nicely in that yapper.
 
The Flyers did us a favor last night. (although once again they tried like hell to give it away.)  Hopefully they can take one more game so Franzen can get his bean together.   
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Friday, May 16, 2008 9:52 PM

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Yep, Pittsburgh is getting a lot of love right now for their record but I'm sorry, just not quite ready to jump on board.  I do know this: Ya gotta learn to lose before you can learn to win, just like Montreal in the 70's, Edmonton taking 2 cracks at the Islanders to beat them, and even the Wings.  They may be the team next year but I don't think they have it this year. 

If the Pens are going to win a Cup, it better be quick.  There are only four players on their current roster under contract after next season, and those four do not include Malkin who will assuredly get an offer sheet in the $8M -$9M range for some other team.
 
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I don't care for the Wings, but they got jobbed on that non-goal.  I have been saying all playoffs that the refs are intentionally manipulating the outcome of games.  Finally, you guys are believers b/c it had a direct impact on your team.
 
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: TK23Blue

Yep, Pittsburgh is getting a lot of love right now for their record but I'm sorry, just not quite ready to jump on board.  I do know this: Ya gotta learn to lose before you can learn to win, just like Montreal in the 70's, Edmonton taking 2 cracks at the Islanders to beat them, and even the Wings.  They may be the team next year but I don't think they have it this year. 

If the Pens are going to win a Cup, it better be quick.  There are only four players on their current roster under contract after next season, and those four do not include Malkin who will assuredly get an offer sheet in the $8M -$9M range for some other team.

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I don't care for the Wings, but they got jobbed on that non-goal.  I have been saying all playoffs that the refs are intentionally manipulating the outcome of games.  Finally, you guys are believers b/c it had a direct impact on your team.


 
That's a good point.  The Pens could become the NHL version of the Montreal Expos-stock everybody else with all-stars.
 
Yes, you have been speaking out about the refs and you're right-you don't notice it much (or care) when you're winning.  Some of the Wings games have been so lopsided there's nothing the refs could even do that mattered.  But I have to admit, this can't be a coincidence every single year.  During the regular season these guys call every ticky-tacky penalty they can and I can recall watching a lot of Wing's games where the first 40 minutes of the game was nothing but special teams, which is ridiculous.  Now it does a complete 180 as usual.  But when you have the single worst commissioner in the history of all sport, this is pretty much expected.  What the NHL really needs to consider is taking as much out of the ref's hands as possible by using video replay for more than just questionable goals. (well, with the exception of phantom in-the-crease calls of course.)  It's like the delay of game call we now have. Great rule as it's not a judgment call any longer; it's automatic and the whole stadium knows it.  But here's the real mind-numbing stuff:
 
1) The dual penalties for obstruction + embellishment/diving: Um, huh?  This is moronic.  It's one or the other.  Either you hooked a guy or you barely touched him and he flopped.  You can't have both.  If the guy helped the call it's diving.  If he didn't it's obstruction.
2) We throw an extra ref on the ice some years back to cut down on the stuff away from the puck and what did we get?  The guy standing right in front of the play calls nothing while the guy 90' away is calling the penalty.  Do what the NFL does and have the refs get together on this stuff and find out who saw what.  Over-rule it, let the crowd go nuts but get it right.
3) The 5 on 3.  Here's something we saw 3 times a game in the regular season.  In fact, it was over-the-top.  Now?  God help the guy in front of the net when his team is on a powerplay in the playoffs, because he will take a beating of a lifetime.  Put that same scenario in the last 5 minutes of a game and it's just one complete mugging after the other.  Completely ridiculous.  The fact is, every guy knows it.  These guys are not dumb-you start calling this stuff just a couple of times and it's amazing how it suddenly ceases. 
 
The only thing the refs get right almost without exception (and this is pretty amazing) is the offsides.  These guys are right 99% of the time and when you consider the speed of the game, that's pretty remarkable.  It's just too bad that's where it basically stops and the rest is a crap shoot.   
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RE: NHL Playoff Semifinals - Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:16 PM
I'm glad the crowd is really into it today, The Joe is sounding Good, maybe cause its the weekend 

Glad to see Bill McCreary in charge, I think he's the better of the zebras, as long as Gary BUTTman is not present (so